Soccercalle Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I remember seeing a Colymar family tree with Kallai, Leila, Londra, The Chans etc. I think it was in an official product. But I cant find it. Can someone help me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Desperate WindChild Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Soccercalle said: I remember seeing a Colymar family tree with Kallai, Leila, Londra, The Chans etc. I think it was in an official product. But I cant find it. Can someone help me? cha4029_adventure_book; p21 Edited April 15, 2022 by French Desperate WindChild 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo Bagman Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 There are also two lists of kings of the Colymar and a family tree for Argrath (that has 2 old kings in it) in King of Sartar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Lemme see. Here's a genealogy of the Ernaldoring leaders, which includes our two pregens (Vasana and Yanioth), Beneva Chan, Kallai Rockbuster, Erenava Chan, Blackmoor and more. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccercalle Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeff said: Lemme see. Here's a genealogy of the Ernaldoring leaders, which includes our two pregens (Vasana and Yanioth), Beneva Chan, Kallai Rockbuster, Erenava Chan, Blackmoor and more. Thanks. In the GM screen you find both Korlmhy and Kangharl. Nice with the pre-gens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 This is the original version of the Taraling royal genealogy that appeared in the GM Pack. Kangharl appears here as a Lunar hostage. There is deliberate and intentional uncertainty whether Korlmhy and Kangharl are the same person or two different people. But you can see how interwoven these royal families are. In the 43 years between 1582 and the present, we have only about two years where the tribal Rex is from outside this kinship group (although it shared between two clans). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Dangerduck Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 One of our PC's father is the illegitimate son of Kallai Rockbuster's unnamed brother (we named him Verinos). i.e. his (unknown to most) grandfather is Verinos. His "legal" grandfather is also grandfather to two of the other PCs. We had fun making up the family trees of the cousins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccercalle Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 A question. King of Sartar speaks om someone called Jostharl Dangmagsson of the Arnoring clan who becomes king of the Colymar in 1625 and rules until 1635. He is succeeded by his son Dangmet in 1635. But Leika is by most other sources king during the Battle of the Queens in 1626 and (according to other sources) lives until 1638. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 KoS p180 has Jostharl ruling from 1525 to 1535 ST. Leika herself is mentioned in the same document with the years 1625 to 1638 ST. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRE Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Could they be King and Queen of the Colymar at the same time? Political marriage and all that... Dangmet could be then his son from other marriage, as I do not expect Orlanthi appreciate infant kings and regencies, but he could co-rule with his mother-in-law a few years. Just fitting the pieces to see what comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Soccercalle said: A question. King of Sartar speaks om someone called Jostharl Dangmagsson of the Arnoring clan who becomes king of the Colymar in 1625 and rules until 1635. He is succeeded by his son Dangmet in 1635. But Leika is by most other sources king during the Battle of the Queens in 1626 and (according to other sources) lives until 1638. As @metcalph said Kos 1ed, page 210: or KoS 2ed, page 180, Amstalli’s Book: Quote Jostharl Dangmagsson, Arnoring Clan, 1525-1535; was killed fighting against the Lunars. Not sure what version of the text you're using Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccercalle Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 19 hours ago, JRE said: Could they be King and Queen of the Colymar at the same time? Political marriage and all that... Dangmet could be then his son from other marriage, as I do not expect Orlanthi appreciate infant kings and regencies, but he could co-rule with his mother-in-law a few years. Just fitting the pieces to see what comes out. Sartar tribes doesn't work like that. Leika is a king even if she is a woman and the chief priest for Orlanth Rex. The "queen" of the Colymar is the Ernalda High Priestess Ereneva Chan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRE Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I know they do not work like that. I was just trying to reconcile contradictory evidences without throwing any of them out of the window. As it is true an orlanth - orlanth marriage would not be good from a fertility perspective, how about their clans sharing the kingship, alternating or some other division of responsibilities? Depending on your allegiances and preferences, one would be the king and the other just part of the ring. How you handle it when you have two Orlanth Rex (as heads of their clans) in the tribe ring? High priest is reserved in Sartar to Sartar's bloodline. So you have two Rex in the same ring, and both could be priests of Orlanth Rex. Deciding seniority could be deferred to avoid splitting the tribe in such a critical moment in time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 hours ago, JRE said: I know they do not work like that. I was just trying to reconcile contradictory evidences without throwing any of them out of the window. What contradictory evidence is there? Leika and Jostharl lived a century apart! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g33k Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 hours ago, metcalph said: What contradictory evidence is there? Leika and Jostharl lived a century apart! Soccercalle cited problematic (contradictory) dates for Jostharl from KoS. It remains to be seen if that was simply an error of theirs, or a faithful reporting of an erroneous (typographic error) in some edition of KoS... Quote C'es ne pas un .sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, g33k said: Soccercalle cited problematic (contradictory) dates for Jostharl from KoS. SC said the dates conflicted, was corrected on this and acknowledged the correction. JRE is persisting with the conflicting dates despite the correct dates being pointed out at least twice in this thread. You shouldn't be making creative explanations for something that didn't exist in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 45 minutes ago, g33k said: Soccercalle cited problematic (contradictory) dates for Jostharl from KoS. It remains to be seen if that was simply an error of theirs, or a faithful reporting of an erroneous (typographic error) in some edition of KoS... Peter is right. There is only one reference to Jostharl Dangmagsson: Jostharl Dangmagsson, Arnoring Clan, 1525‑1535; who was killed fighting against the Lunars. And that a full century before the default setting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g33k Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 51 minutes ago, metcalph said: SC said the dates conflicted, was corrected on this and acknowledged the correction. ... I haven't seen that acknowledgment; so far as I can see, @Soccercalle's claim stands (albeit contradicted by other readers). Has he edited a post, possibly removing such? Or was something mod-removed, or hidden? I'm perfectly willing for this to have been simple human error in Soccercalle's original claim (or an erroneous edition), but AFAIK this discrepancy (between Soccercalle & others) hasn't actually been resolved. Quote C'es ne pas un .sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 44 minutes ago, g33k said: I haven't seen that acknowledgment; so far as I can see, @Soccercalle's claim stands (albeit contradicted by other readers). He made a reaction to my first post. Unless you have anything meaningful to say (instead of needlessly prolonging this tedious misunderstanding), I'm done here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccercalle Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) I apologize if I mixed up the centuries. I was trying to create some family trees for my PCs. No worries and thank you for all answers. Edited April 22, 2022 by Soccercalle 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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