🆘 RQCE - Rune Magic Spellcasting Costs 🆘

[icebrand]

Hi guys!!! I can't find the cost (as in lunars) of having a priest cast rune magic on behalf of someone.

I know it's listed somewhere, but i can't find it right now and I've to GM in less than 3 hours (doesn't help my prep so far is "i read the scenario... Kinda... Well, let's say i skimmed it" 😂.

Ayway, last session my Chalana Arroy PC chose to go on a date instead of come play (irredeemable, i know) and i replaced her for the settlements wind voice, who ended up casting sandals of darkness and telekinesis, which were instrumental on the PCs following slaughter of enemies, so of course I'm deducing the cost from their rewards :).

So... Help? 😋

[Richard S.]

RQG gives 20L per point, or 200L per if it's one-use. If magic points are spent to cast the spell as well, each is worth an additional 1L. For RQCE it's probably safe to use those multiplied by 10, like the rest of the economy seems to be, so 200L per reusable point, 2000L per one-use, 10L per MP.

Edited September 6, 2021 by Richard S.

[icebrand]

Just now, Richard S. said:

RQG gives 20L per point, or 200L per if it's one-use. If magic points are spent to cast the spell as well, each is worth an additional 1L. For RQCE it's probably safe to use those multiplied by 10, like the rest of the economy seems to be, so 200L per reusable point, 2000L per one-use, 20L per MP.

200 reusable seems nice (should be probably more expensive in CE since prices are super wack lol).

So far you the one winning, but i think it may be too cheap... They got HARD CARRIED by those spells (well, what they did with telekinesis wasn't actually required but they seem to think it was impossible without -thats why they asked the priestess for it- and I'm partial to let them stay thinking that lol-

[Nick Underwood]

On 9/6/2021 at 9:34 PM, Richard S. said:

RQG gives 20L per point,

So... a +20 Bless Pregnancy spell would cost a measly 4000 L? Shocking that parents just don't invest in their children anymore... 

[Joerg]

2 hours ago, Nick Underwood said:

So... a +20 Bless Pregnancy spell would cost a measly 4000 L? Shocking that parents just don't invest in their children anymore... 

In the case of Bless Pregnancy, I would charge 20 L per rune point per season, as the caster doesn't get to regain the rune points until birth.

No idea how common CHA 20 priestesses with 20 rune points would be. At a guess - only player characters.

[Baron Wulfraed]

2 hours ago, Nick Underwood said:

So... a +20 Bless Pregnancy spell would cost a measly 4000 L? Shocking that parents just don't invest in their children anymore... 

And with a +1 per excess point applied to characteristics, the kid is going to be an unmanageable terror 😈

[Shiningbrow]

15 hours ago, Joerg said:

In the case of Bless Pregnancy, I would charge 20 L per rune point per season, as the caster doesn't get to regain the rune points until birth.

No idea how common CHA 20 priestesses with 20 rune points would be. At a guess - only player characters.

As a ritual, couldn't more than 1 priestess supply the rune points?

[Nick Underwood]

23 hours ago, Baron Wulfraed said:

And with a +1 per excess point applied to characteristics, the kid is going to be an unmanageable terror 😈

That's mum talking.

Dad is screaming, "Think of the Manipulation bonus!“

[Nick Underwood]

23 hours ago, Joerg said:

In the case of Bless Pregnancy, I would charge 20 L per rune point per season, as the caster doesn't get to regain the rune points until birth.

I think you can cast at any moment during pregnancy. Including during  blessedly painless labour. 

23 hours ago, Joerg said:

No idea how common CHA 20 priestesses with 20 rune points would be. At a guess - only player characters.

And I'd have to say that given the lowly market value of their work it's perhaps to be expected that they don't make more effort to advance their careers. 😊

[Nick Underwood]

8 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

As a ritual, couldn't more than 1 priestess supply the rune points?

I think the official ruling is that multiple people can supply Rune Points only in cases where it is explicitly mentioned. But it is explicitly mentioned that multiple people can sacrifice POW during a spell enchantment creation ritual. 

Which opens up the question of why any self-respecting clan hasn't created a +60 Bless Pregnancy enchantment... The (minor) sacrifice of a single generation would create a clan of perfect people. 

(and probably ruin the game for everyone...) 

[icebrand]

13 minutes ago, Nick Underwood said:

Which opens up the question of why any self-respecting clan hasn't created a +60 Bless Pregnancy enchantment... The (minor) sacrifice of a single generation would create a clan of perfect people. 

(and probably ruin the game for everyone...) 

It baffles me that bless pregnancy has a mechanical effect. Especially since such effect seems aimed at 0,000001% of legit players!

[Nick Underwood]

8 minutes ago, icebrand said:

Especially since such effect seems aimed at 0,000001% of legit players!

What's an illegit player?  

[Baron Wulfraed]

45 minutes ago, Nick Underwood said:

I think you can cast at any moment during pregnancy. Including during  blessedly painless labour.

From the Red Book (emphasis mine):

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This ritual blesses a woman; it must be cast during the first season of her pregnancy

 

[Nick Underwood]

13 minutes ago, Baron Wulfraed said:

From the Red Book (emphasis mine):

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This ritual blesses a woman; it must be cast during the first season of her pregnancy

I stand utterly corrected. 

Even RQG mentions the constraint. 

(Whatever was I thinking contradicting you lot! 😊) 

[Bill the barbarian]

9 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

As a ritual, couldn't more than 1 priestess supply the rune points?

1 hour ago, Nick Underwood said:

I think the official ruling is that multiple people can supply Rune Points only in cases where it is explicitly mentioned. But it is explicitly mentioned that multiple people can sacrifice POW during a spell enchantment creation ritual. 

 

According to Scotty citing MGF any spell can have more then one person contributing RPs if the GM allows it. I did not see this anywhere in the RAW (negative or positive) which caused me to write  and ask about it and that was his answer. 

Edited September 9, 2021 by Bill the barbarian

[Nick Underwood]

16 minutes ago, Bill the barbarian said:

According to Scotty citing MGF any spell can have more then one person contributing RPs if the GM allows it.

I think it was in the reply to your question that I saw the "official ruling" I cited, Bill. 

I did see the MGF interpretation too. But seeing as the discussion is munchkining up super babies, the stricter interpretation seemed appropriate.

Not that super babies are not fun. But are they maximum fun? 

[icebrand]

2 hours ago, Nick Underwood said:

What's an illegit player?  

it means i dont like the spell really...

Like, what benefit does this bring to your game? It seems... out of place? I dont know, im strongly oppinionated and headstrong (but easily swayed)

[icebrand]

On 9/6/2021 at 4:34 PM, Richard S. said:

RQG gives 20L per point, or 200L per if it's one-use. If magic points are spent to cast the spell as well, each is worth an additional 1L. For RQCE it's probably safe to use those multiplied by 10, like the rest of the economy seems to be, so 200L per reusable point, 2000L per one-use, 10L per MP.

Kareena in apple lane charges *AT LEAST* 10 gold wheels (TEN???) for casting healing 6. Seriously? If some adventurers murder her i wouldnt even question them, she had it coming...

Edited September 9, 2021 by icebrand

[FungusColombicus]

2 minutes ago, icebrand said:

it means i dont like the spell really...

Like, what benefit does this bring to your game? It seems... out of place? I dont know, im strongly oppinionated and headstrong (but easily swayed)

maybe... and it is a big maybe... some players like the idea of characters with family and sparing the NPC wife of the loss of a children... a complicated pregnancy... the possibility of death during labor... etc...

I realize is not the most common cup of tea for players but I am guessing (again) this was thought on putting some level of realism and community to the spells.

Bottom line... don't like it... don't use it or make it so easy/cheap to use that become irrelevant... YGWV

 

[icebrand]

1 minute ago, FungusColombicus said:

maybe... and it is a big maybe... some players like the idea of characters with family and sparing the NPC wife of the loss of a children... a complicated pregnancy... the possibility of death during labor... etc...

I realize is not the most common cup of tea for players but I am guessing (again) this was thought on putting some level of realism and community to the spells.

Bottom line... don't like it... don't use it or make it so easy/cheap to use that become irrelevant... YGWV

 

And all that stuff is fine and amazing, i meant the +60 stats part

[Eff]

Who's to say that people aren't engaging with the playful Bless Pregnancy button? Why else do you think player characters trend so tall?

[Joerg]

On 9/9/2021 at 11:12 PM, Nick Underwood said:

Not that super babies are not fun. But are they maximum fun? 

Would BamBam ruin your game?

[Baron Wulfraed]

6 hours ago, Joerg said:

Would BamBam ruin your game?

BamBam was adopted -- he's really a Neanderthal living among "normal" people. 🙄

[Joerg]

2 hours ago, Baron Wulfraed said:

BamBam was adopted -- he's really a Neanderthal living among "normal" people. 🙄

A child so infused with the power of the Goddess could feel like adopted, too. Or do you think that Jar-eel bears much similarity to the mother who gave birth to her? Poor thing probably was left a husk when the girl left her womb.

[FungusColombicus]

On 9/11/2021 at 3:29 PM, Joerg said:

A child so infused with the power of the Goddess could feel like adopted, too. Or do you think that Jar-eel bears much similarity to the mother who gave birth to her? Poor thing probably was left a husk when the girl left her womb.

She probably performed a cesarean (c section) from the inside.