Rune Points for Subcult Spells

[svensson]

I'm certain that the answer to this is in the RQG book somewhere, but I can't find it.

If a PC is a member of two subcults from the same deity and wishes to cast a spell provided only by one subcult, does the player have to track the RP for each subcult separately.

Example:

Broyan was initiated into Orlanth Adventurous as a teenager. Later he initiated into Orlanth Thunderous. According to the rules, he must sacrifice an additional point of POW to establish the mystical connection with that aspect of Orlanth. He wishes to cast Thunderbolt, a spell he has sacrificed for.

Does Broyan have to track RP for Adventurous and Thunderous separately?

[g33k]

33 minutes ago, svensson said:

I'm certain that the answer to this is in the RQG book somewhere, but I can't find it.

If a PC is a member of two subcults from the same deity and wishes to cast a spell provided only by one subcult, does the player have to track the RP for each subcult separately.

Example:

Broyan was initiated into Orlanth Adventurous as a teenager. Later he initiated into Orlanth Thunderous. According to the rules, he must sacrifice an additional point of POW to establish the mystical connection with that aspect of Orlanth. He wishes to cast Thunderbolt, a spell he has sacrificed for.

Does Broyan have to track RP for Adventurous and Thunderous separately?

It's all Orlanth.

Someone noticed a pre-gen with separate Rune-Pools for Orlanth+Vinga, and asked.  @Jeff spoke up that this was an error:
https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/11417-maximum-rune-point-pool/?do=findComment&comment=172600

 

 

[Squaredeal Sten]

It seems to me as a general interpretation, tell me now if this is wrong:

All rune spells listed under the short form for a cult, not only subcults but even those from other associated and even opposed cults, use the short form cult's rune points.  It is one RP pool.

As an example see Orlanth's  Darkwalk.  It is derived from an Uz (troll if you must use the pejorative term)  Darkness cult.  But it does not require joining the trolls to use the spell.  In this case the spell was gotten by Orlanth through the legendary theft of the Sandals of Darkness.  Orlanth initiates can take and use the spell as a power of Orlanth, and so they use Orlanth rune points.

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[g33k]

15 minutes ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

It seems to me as a general interpretation, tell me now if this is wrong:

All rune spells listed under the short form for a cult, not only subcults but even those from other associated and even opposed cults, use the short form cult's rune points.  It is one RP pool.

As an example see Orlanth's  Darkwalk.  It is derived from an Uz (troll if you must use the pejorative term)  Darkness cult.  But it does not require joining the trolls to use the spell.  In this case the spell was gotten by Orlanth through the legendary theft of the Sandals of Darkness.  Orlanth initiates can take and use the spell as a power of Orlanth, and so they use Orlanth rune points.

If you're playing the Rex/Thundrous/Adventurous split, only Adventurous has Dark Walk (and Vinga, who is Adventurous Plus).
But yeah, no matter how you Initiate, to which sub-cult, or to how many sub-cults... it's all Orlanth at the level of the Rune Pool.

[svensson]

Thanks.

I use Orlanth in the example just because it's the most common, but there are other gods and goddesses that have subcults with different interpretations of the deity's role in the universe and different special rune spells.

And if you look at some of the Jonstown Compendium sources, it get even weirder. Like ostrich riding Yelmalions in Sandheart.... 😁

[French Desperate WindChild]

to go deeper, let's talk about associated cult

I m not sure of my understanding so do not hesitate if there is a mistake :

 

As @Squaredeal Sten said that is  your god's runepool you use to cast spell from the associated cults :

you are initiate of Orlanth, you learn Lock from Issaries, as associated god.

 

but life is life and one day you become initiate of Issaries (in addition)

then you sacrifice to Issaries and learn Create Market

 

if you cast Create Market, you use Issaries runepool

if you cast Lock, you use Orlanth runepool

(my logic is "where did you sacrifice POW to learn the spell ?")

 

now...

because you want to challenge your GM...

you decide to learn Lock with Issaries directly

So

if you cast Create Market, you use Issaries runepool

If you cast Lock, you choose if you use Issaries runepool or Orlanth runepool (same logic "where did you sacrifice POW")

 

Am I right ?

[Shiningbrow]

1 hour ago, French Desperate WindChild said:

to go deeper, let's talk about associated cult

I m not sure of my understanding so do not hesitate if there is a mistake :

 

As @Squaredeal Sten said that is  your god's runepool you use to cast spell from the associated cults :

you are initiate of Orlanth, you learn Lock from Issaries, as associated god.

 

but life is life and one day you become initiate of Issaries (in addition)

then you sacrifice to Issaries and learn Create Market

 

if you cast Create Market, you use Issaries runepool

if you cast Lock, you use Orlanth runepool

(my logic is "where did you sacrifice POW to learn the spell ?")

 

now...

because you want to challenge your GM...

you decide to learn Lock with Issaries directly

So

if you cast Create Market, you use Issaries runepool

If you cast Lock, you choose if you use Issaries runepool or Orlanth runepool (same logic "where did you sacrifice POW")

 

Am I right ?

That's how I'd run it.

[Squaredeal Sten]

2 hours ago, French Desperate WindChild said:

to go deeper, let's talk about associated cult

I m not sure of my understanding so do not hesitate if there is a mistake :

 

As @Squaredeal Sten said that is  your god's runepool you use to cast spell from the associated cults :

you are initiate of Orlanth, you learn Lock from Issaries, as associated god.

 

but life is life and one day you become initiate of Issaries (in addition)

then you sacrifice to Issaries and learn Create Market

 

if you cast Create Market, you use Issaries runepool

if you cast Lock, you use Orlanth runepool

(my logic is "where did you sacrifice POW to learn the spell ?")

 

now...

because you want to challenge your GM...

you decide to learn Lock with Issaries directly

So

if you cast Create Market, you use Issaries runepool

If you cast Lock, you choose if you use Issaries runepool or Orlanth runepool (same logic "where did you sacrifice POW")

 

Am I right ?

Same here.  You have an initiation connection with both gods.

In general I do not favor requiring rune point accounting that requires Iinformation that is not on the character sheet.

 

[soltakss]

On 4/6/2023 at 9:29 AM, French Desperate WindChild said:

As @Squaredeal Sten said that is  your god's runepool you use to cast spell from the associated cults :

you are initiate of Orlanth, you learn Lock from Issaries, as associated god.

 

but life is life and one day you become initiate of Issaries (in addition)

then you sacrifice to Issaries and learn Create Market

 

if you cast Create Market, you use Issaries runepool

if you cast Lock, you use Orlanth runepool

(my logic is "where did you sacrifice POW to learn the spell ?")

 

now...

because you want to challenge your GM...

you decide to learn Lock with Issaries directly

So

if you cast Create Market, you use Issaries runepool

If you cast Lock, you choose if you use Issaries runepool or Orlanth runepool (same logic "where did you sacrifice POW")

I would play that the cultist could cast Lock using either the Issaries or Orlanth Runepool, as the spell comes from Issaries.

 

[PhilHibbs]

On 4/6/2023 at 9:29 AM, French Desperate WindChild said:

now...

because you want to challenge your GM...

you decide to learn Lock with Issaries directly

So

if you cast Create Market, you use Issaries runepool

If you cast Lock, you choose if you use Issaries runepool or Orlanth runepool (same logic "where did you sacrifice POW")

 

Am I right ?

Yes. That's the rules-as-written.