Byll Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Maybe a warm-up vent act while the skirmishers are doing their stretches? :-) Boss big beefy Bison brave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 51 minutes ago, Sir_Godspeed said: I think what throws me off is how lifelike the bison looks. In Glorantha, images often seem to have innate powers, much as our ancestors believed. The bison head is more than a little stylized, enhanced by the attachment of the fur trim, and real ears and horns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said: I think what throws me off is how lifelike the bison looks. Probably because the upper layer is actual facial fur of a bison? I do wonder about the bison horn part of the shields. Is actual bison horn involved? Is it purely ornamental, or does it function as something like a sword catcher or even piercing attack implement? Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brootse Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 14 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said: I think what throws me off is how lifelike the bison looks. Yeah, same here. Maybe it should be more symbolic. Great drawing nonetheless! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 Have made some digital changes to the shield to add more scratches and a tear. Two other sketches made today - one a redrawing and the other adding shading to an old sketch. Probably won't finish them today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 One redrawn, and an old sketch shaded. Neither are perfect, but redrawing from scratch would take several days each. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 Latest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byll Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Cool Topknot, I always picture Pentans in Mongolian deels but perhaps that's just peace-time garb and you need more protection for actual battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I think its a good synthesis of various Eurasian steppe cultures. Or maybe it's modelled of one particular one, I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell the difference, I'll admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 hours ago, Byll said: Cool Topknot, I always picture Pentans in Mongolian deels but perhaps that's just peace-time garb and you need more protection for actual battle. Purely my view, but I tend to use the Cimmerians, Scythians and Saka as my model for Pentans; the Mongols had a significantly different culture and military tradition, and from my view - just too late. 19 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said: I think its a good synthesis of various Eurasian steppe cultures. Or maybe it's modelled of one particular one, I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell the difference, I'll admit. Even 'Scythian' probably includes a multitude of different groups, and in some ways, the steppe peoples didn't show major changes in life style for a relatively long time. Sketch update: currently working on another, not included in the summary below. This also does not include drawings of weapons, armor, shields, or montages. Sketches I judge 'okay': 32 Sketches judged 'so so': 25 Sketches judged bad: 1. Have attempted to redo the last one several times and it just won't work, so it should either be deleted or completely restarted from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I hope you don't stare yourself too blind on the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 18 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said: I hope you don't stare yourself too blind on the details. Sorry, I can't quite make out the words? Latest. Not certain how many more will rework. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) Latest rework (original modified using pen & ink, scanned, and then some digital shading). Going for a vaguely Minoan look. Bare feet intended as being practical on the decks of a wooden warship in subtropical conditions... The armor is made of aluminum. And yes, the amount of drawing over the last month is starting to take a toll - may have to take a break to rest my eyes... Edited March 28, 2019 by M Helsdon 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brootse Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 take care 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 7 hours ago, M Helsdon said: Latest rework (original modified using pen & ink, scanned, and then some digital shading). Going for a vaguely Minoan look. Bare feet intended as being practical on the decks of a wooden warship in subtropical conditions... The armor is made of aluminum. Bare feet were the standard of the Cape Hoorners, too, AFAIK, even though they had to face sleet and snow on their passages. Only the whalers braving ice-berg riddled waters would have worn some sort of footwear among common sailors, with footwear being the privilege of officers. Not referencing this specific image,, which would work for colder conditions with the simple addition of a cloak, too, but: On the whole, I am quite distrustful of the fair weather navy and the topless fair weather fisherfolk that we have been shown for the Pelaskites. While the Choralinthor Bay doesn't normally freeze over, I can say the same for the Baltic Sea where I live. Does Kethaela even have palms? The English and Cornish channel coast has those, although it is too cold for olive trees. Rozgali and Solkathi are warm, but not hot currents. I'd expect Biscayan or Channel conditions, maybe Iberian Atlantic. Magasta is not a forgiving Sea God, and Solkathi first came as an all-drowning monster, although much of that energy was broken by Zzabur, and possibly then drained by Worcha. Sea Season is when maritime activities kickstart, and that corresponds to this time of the year in average latitudes. Seasonal fishing grounds at spawning migrations quite generally fall into cold weather, like Dark or Storm Season, and are some of the most productive fishing activities, which I expect especially the Pelaskite to be ready for. Probably donning sealskin or fish skin or similar weather clothing available from their own activities rather than waxed linen that has to be traded for from landlubbers. Bad enough that getting their timber takes them inland. When fisherfolk move out, so do pirates relieving them of their catches and other possessions, which means that the triremes (or whichever other anti-pirate craft they have) need to be ready, too. So, without any drawings, what would the sensible bad weather equipment of Pelaskite or Handran sailors be? The wolf pirate state of undress in seasons other than Dark or Storm probably is their lingering adaptation to life next to the Glacier, which would make Solkathi conditions very gentle to them, and possibly nigh unbearable in Fire Season. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Joerg said: Bare feet were the standard of the Cape Hoorners, too, AFAIK, even though they had to face sleet and snow on their passages. I know - my father recalled what his father told him. My grandfather sailed on some of the last sailing ships (possibly a clipper) to round the Horn (he drowned at sea in 1936) and my father remembered him talking of waves the 'size of mountains'. Edited March 29, 2019 by M Helsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) Latest reworking. [Latest image updated to include 'Cuisses' label.] Edited March 30, 2019 by M Helsdon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Interesting sword placement. Is this based on some historical reference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 21 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said: Interesting sword placement. Is this based on some historical reference? I should have drawn the baldric over the right shoulder (too late now), but otherwise, the positioning reflects ancient usage, such as those shown on the Tropaeum Traiani, where the pommel of swords are just below the armpit. It was also necessary to be a bit creative, as putting the sword lower would have risked it getting caught in the lower plate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) Latest rework. May do a little more work on the face tomorrow. Will also attempt to fix the BRG baldric. May have to redraw it entirely.... Edited March 31, 2019 by M Helsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 A number of people have queried the lack of a bibliography in my fan book 'The Armies and Enemies of Dragon Pass'. The core books are listed below. Some are now out-of-print and hard to find... Argrath: Myth, Man, or Monster? Pavison Books Armies and Enemies of the Lunar Empire Third Age Research Group Beasts and Barbarians of Prax Uroxford University Press Enemies of the Empire 1: Carmania Vrok Publishing Enemies of the Empire 2: Pent Vrok Publishing Enemies of the Empire 3: Saird Vrok Publishing Enemies of the Empire 4: Sartar and Tarsh Vrok Publishing God Kings and Despots Glassbridge Press Gods and Goddesses of the Third Age Oslir & Riverson Golden Warriors of the Sun Green Stone Press Imperial Armies of the Early Wanes Green Stone Press Imperial Armies of the Later Wanes Green Stone Press Life in Ancient Maniria Archaeological & Historical Society Masks of the Emperor Black Books Orlanthi Warrior Vrok Publishing Pelandan Hoplites and their influence on Lunar Warfare Archaeological & Historical Society Peloria: Land of Monsters and Flowers New Harshax University Press Raibanth and its Ruins Auk Press Regiments and War Bands New Harshax University Press Saird in Antiquity New Harshax University Press Sartar and the Sartarites Unity Books Settlement Patterns of Dragon Pass Notyet City University Press Tactics of Fazzur Spearhead Publishing The Archaeology of Peloria Archaeological & Historical Society The Art of Warfare in the Third Age Uroxford University Press The Geology of Genertela: Blood and Bones of the Gods Gata Society The Lost World of the Holy Country Far Horizon Books The Orlanthi Kingdom of Tarsh Unity Books The Red Moon: Metaphor and Myth New Age Books Warlord of the South Runeworks Weapons of the Ancient World Otter Books Wheeled Vehicles in Ancient Warfare Archaeological & Historical Society 6 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, M Helsdon said: A number of people have queried the lack of a bibliography in my fan book 'The Armies and Enemies of Dragon Pass'. The core books are listed below. Some are now out-of-print and hard to find... Fortunately, I managed to get them all as PDFs 1 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brootse Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 20 hours ago, M Helsdon said: Latest rework. May do a little more work on the face tomorrow. Will also attempt to fix the BRG baldric. May have to redraw it entirely.... Where's that guy from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Bush children in the Dragon Pass boardgame are originally Old Tarshite missile troops from east of the Dragonspine as part of the Sartar Free Army. If memory serves me well, among the fastest of the mounted forces in the Free Army, with low melee or magic combat factors, but great skirmishers to frustrate advancing forces to very slow advances unless they brought as fast troops to avoid parthian shot retreats again and again. 1 Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Brootse said: Where's that guy from? The Bush Range - part of the Old Tarsh territory. Bush Children Type Light Infantry Armor None Weapons Bow, broadsword, shield Morale Militia 2 Patron Deity Voriof Notes Tarshite Psiloi. Magic Factor Low 2 Missile Factor 2 Melee Factor 2 The Bush Ranges are rugged hill-land on both sides of the north Dragonspine. The irregular steep hills and overgrown valleys make poor farming and grazing. It is well suited to the bandit clans who live there. The Bush Children are the settlers of the Bush Ranges in the foothills of Kero Fin. They are herders, hunters, and bandits, who excel at scouting and hit-and-run skirmishes. These bandit clans usually have no loyalty to each other or any outsider lord. These units trace their origins to the days after the Battle of Grizzly Peak, when many Tarshites fled the Lunar ravaging of the clans in the hills of the Bush Ranges. Many sought sanctuary in Sartar where they served as mercenaries, fighting the Lunar advance. This group are adept at fighting in craggy terrain, scaling sheer cliffs, and setting ambushes. Latest two images reworked a little. Edited April 1, 2019 by M Helsdon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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