Incendiary Pig Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Hi all, I am after some information. I am thinking of setting a campaign in Maniria. My Guide to Glorantha tells me that Greymane is considering his options as to whose side to be on in the upcoming Hero Wars (page 355). RQG goes on to say that Queen Samastina is the new queen of Esrolia in 1625, after securing her freedom from various people, including the Western Barbarians (page 110). Can anyone tell me the fate of Greymane, his sons and the rest of the Manirian tribes? Is he still alive? Did he support the new queen or do otherwise? Any information would be gratefully received. Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I assumed that they would be victims of Harrek rolling up the battlefield of Pennel, after Harrek dealt with those pesky sunspearing priests that boiled off his armor. After switching sides in that battle, I doubt anyone around Samastina would trust Greymane farther than he could throw the Block. If he survived that battle and managed to return home, he probably would have retired. But then, if Harrek missed him on the battlefield, he and his wolf pirates probably would sail up the Solanthi River to make ends meet. After spending all that gold in Nochet and plundering the City of Wonders. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grievous Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Well, hmmm, theoretically his son who wanted to support the Hendrikings (who maybe initially got him on that side of the battle?) could still serve Samastina faithfully, if he abandoned his father and brother. Other than the little bit of information on the Battle of Pennel, I don't think we know much canonically (?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oracle Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 From the Glorantha Sourcebook, pp. 37/38: Quote The Sky itself began to change as a result of the ongoing magical wars. In Sea Season 1624, Kallyr Starbrow helped raise a new blue planet, called the Boat Planet, in the Sky and it began making its way through the Celestial River. ... Shortly after the Boat Planet’s rise, a makeshift army, composed of cooperative remnants of the Holy Country led by King Broyan, Wolf Pirates led by Harrek the Berserk, and a Manirian host led by Greymane, marched to fight the Lunar Army. The Lunar lifted their useless siege of Nochet and went eagerly to battle. The two armies met at the ford of Pennel. In a long, bloody battle of men and magic, the Lunar Army was defeated in a rout, despite betrayal by the Western Barbarians. ... ... The remnants of the Lunar Army fled, and the Esrolian forces pursued to the Red Earth lands, where they wreaked terrible havoc and vengeance. With Greymane and his sons dead, the surviving Western Barbarians scattered back to Maniria. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Incendiary Pig said: Greymane is considering his options as to whose side to be on in the upcoming Hero Wars As @Oracle noted Greymane, and his sons, are dead. (Though of course YGMV) Queen Hendira is also dead, and the Red Earth Alliance destroyed. Esrolia, and by extension, Maniria, is in something of a jockeying for power post-Dragonrise. On the one hand, ruling Nochet and effectively ruling Northern Esrolia and leading the Old Earth Alliance is Queen Samastina. On the other hand, ruling Rhigos and leading the Warm Earth Alliance, with close ties to Caladraland, is the Demivierge of Rhigos. You can see these divisions reflected in the Homelands writeup in RQG. Now bear in mind that Esrolia is still dominated by 200 Enfranchised (i.e. noble) clans and their Grandmothers, who are realigning themselves towards one or the other of those two leaders. And they are extending their influences along the Trade Road to Maniria. Off in Maniria, there's the Queen of Handra, who has her own ambitions. And northward there is the Arstola Forest, and the elves have their own agenda (i.e. cover all of Maniria, and more, in wild woodland once again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelm's Light Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 3 hours ago, jajagappa said: As @Oracle noted Greymane, and his sons, are dead. That's exactly what they want you to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 19 hours ago, Yelm's Light said: That's exactly what they want you to think. Well, it was hard to tell them apart after they went through the Harrek meat-grinder! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 7 hours ago, jajagappa said: Well, it was hard to tell them apart after they went through the Harrek meat-grinder! 🙂 Nothing that three simultaneous castings of Heal Body couldn't cure, really... or as many more as bodyguards (and perhaps the occasional wolf pirate) getting into the patty. More seriously, if any of these three were heroquesters who had established their back door out of the Underworld, even Death by Harrek or having one's mortal remains eaten by trolls doesn't have to be permanent. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incendiary Pig Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 thanks for all the information. I think I have an almost blank sheet to play with. cheers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Mayne Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Here's some info I found in my notes: Quote Greymane, The Lion King Greymane is descended from the ancient Basmoli and could roar like a lion in battle. But he inherited his mother's gray locks, for she was a daughter of the Prince of the Solanthi Vale. His name was inevitable after that. When the Opening brought an end to the fortunes of the Trader Princes, Greymane was a loyal warrior in the service of his princely cousin. He was trusted with the command of the Prince's troops and he did not fail his cousin. When the coastal Maldros revolted against the Solanthi, Greymane attempted to subdue them many times. He failed for the Maldros had Caladran volcano magics and used the Pelushi Volcano to defend their lands. The Pharaoh had given the Maldros these magics for he wanted to control the coast now that the seas were open. Greymane was angered at the perfidy of one who had been a friend. The caravans ceased to visit the Solanthi and the Prince soon retired to Nochet where he had a villa. The Solanthi now followed Greymane for he was the closest heir and their best leader. He did not crown himself Prince however for he would not abjure Orlanth. But Greymane was greatly troubled that the once wealthy Solanthi had now become an impoverished backwater. He nursed bitter thoughts against the Pharaoh but was unable to take vengeance for the Maldros were impregnable and the hostile Ditali prevented him from raiding the Holy Country. But Greymane soon heard the Ditali were at war with the Holy Country. A prophet had appeared among them and demanded the Caladrans allow the Ditali to worship at the volcanic shrines. The Caladrans refused and the Ditali attempted to worship there by force. But the Pharaoh had sent his army to punish the Ditali. They were defeated in battle, forced to cede much territory and were left gravely weakened. Greymane saw his chance for revenge. Eight years ago, he mustered the Solanthi for battle. He raided the still-broken Ditali with such severity that the chiefs there were forced to swear oaths of friendship to the Solanthi and to pay tribute to Greymane. In the next year, Greymane mustered the Solanthi and then marched to Ditalil and and gathered more warriors there. He stunned the Holy Country by raiding down the Gorphing River and sacked Porthomeka. The plunder greatly enriched the Solanthi and Greymane had had his revenge. The Pharaoh was so shocked by Greymane's audacity that he did not send an army to punish the Solanthi but used them to watch the borders of the Holy Country. But Greymane did not raid the Holy Country that year for he had turned his attention to the Nimistori and began raiding them too. Thus emboldened, the Pharaoh sent his army to punish the Solanthi as the Ditali already had been. The Army marched deep through the Ditali lands relying on their weakness to give the army safe passage. But Greymane was warned by the Ditali and rushed to meet the Pharaonic army. He prepared an ambush which destroyed the might of the Holy County in one single blow. This battle was known afterwards as the Lion King's feast. As a result of the defeat, the Pharaoh disappeared never to be seen again. Greymane decided to lead one last raid against the Holy Country. He again mustered the Solanthi and the Ditali and raided deep into Esrolia. He even saw Nochet City. Greymane took great plunder by avoiding decisive battle. Lord Greymane is an old man now who rules from his favourite wife's farm. His sons Hardral and Varstarl are both capable leaders and magicians. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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