Jeff

Correct. CHA is not beauty. It is a measure of leadership and strength of personality. It is the ability to say "Follow me!" and find oneself leading a charge. It is a sign of divine favour, and limits your Rune points and spirit magic spells.

Bah. Obviously that's Orlanth and Ernalda. We found the Aetheric Brothers in the same collection. Humakt was also there, armed with two swords.

And here's "Orlanth" AND "Ernalda" from that same Gods Wall:

That's from the inspiration for the Gods Wall - which just happens to be at the Pergamonmuseum here in Berlin. Next to "Orlanth" on this wall is "Ernalda". Note the Mastery-Rune lightning or thunderbolt (which incidentally is also the vajra). As an aside, our biggest influence on the look of the Orlanthi tattoos is actually Thracian, although the Berbers, Yazidi, and Daghestani are also all great references. I find nearly nothing about Dragon Pass to be like Scandinavia, the British Isles, or Northern Europe (and I live in Berlin), but if you go a bit south - to Switzerland, the Balkans, or the Caucasus, the parallels start to abound. Throw in a dash of Western US and it works like a charm. As for how many religions figured a major storm god with a prominent trickster - I'd pick most religions from South Asia to the Pillars of Heracles.

The Red Goddess did not ban slavery. Nor did She legally emancipate the peasants. Her liberation was largely spiritual, although she did destroy the Carmanian Empire in the process. I'm sure she had followers who "thought" She was leading a peasants' revolt or something similar, and when they confronted her, She showed them Her Illumination. Now that the White Moon Movement is in full rebellion, these old heretics are no doubt being revived, and their errors must be confronted by the Goddess's Incarnation, Jar-eel. So many things for the Fourth Inspiration to do - defeat Pentans, hold the Empire together, and teach the misguided and mislead the errors of their ways. But then again, she is Her Incarnation!

I mean the gigantic two-volume long version of over 100 cults that is in art production.

Its the next supplement after Pegasus Plateau. An Esrolian House is a clan.

I'd like to confine this thread to discussions of Gerendetho and other Lodril cults. If someone wants to talk about Vinga, Nandan, etc., please create a new thread.

I'd like to confine this thread to discussions of Yelmalio and Elmal. If folk want to talk about Vinga, please create a new thread.

That's my view as well.

In Cults of Glorantha, Nandan is a subcult of Ernalda. Here's the short description: NANDAN This daughter of Ernalda was born with a male form. She enables women who are biologically male to give birth and thus be eligible to become priestesses. She provides Pregnancy.

Just wait a little bit and there will be whole supplement set in Jonstown and it corrects all my mistakes in Sartar Companion.

There are clans and even tribes in all of the cities of Sartar. There are also guilds, associations, and temples. All of these are loyalties that pull on their members, all of these often function as "corporate" entities with their own spirit, etc.

Yeah, I am really proud of what Martin did, especially since from time to time I'd send him the current working manuscript of the Dragon Pass armies chapter, which would annoyingly contradict what had been sent him before.

Also it is important to remember that the Elder Races are generally more closely connected to their Ancestor/Creator than humans. To be a troll means worshiping Kyger Litor and a little less than half of all trolls worship Kyger Litor alone - which is way higher than any human cult dominates any sizeable human society. The Dark Mother rules her children. But a minority of trolls worship outside The elves are even more extreme - almost all elves worship Aldrya and two-thirds or more of all elves worship only Aldrya. She gives them everything they need to exist. A minority of elves worship something else, these elves have something gnawing at them and are half-way to being rootless. The dragonewts do not generally worship gods or spirits, but do honour their ancestral dragons and follow the draconic way. And the dwarfs worship nothing.

He stole Fire, defeats foes through treachery and ambush, is transgressive even by troll standards (undead, fire, etc.), and is a murderer and a destroyer. All good Trickster archetypes.

Zorak Zoran is the closest thing to the Trickster the trolls have. Eurmal is responsible for the trolls being forced out of Wonderhome and is a pretty hated deity. The trolls do worship some human gods, but they have mainly kept to their ancestors and underworld deities. In Dagori Inkarth, about 5% of all dark trolls are initiates of either Orlanth or Storm Bull. In the Shadow Plateau and Troll Woods it is closer to 7%. There has even been a dark troll hero of Orlanth. The aldryami worship Babeester Gor, Chalana Arroy, Ernalda, the Grain Goddesses, Voria, and Yelmalio. A few Green Elves even worship the Herd Mother! About 21% of Brown Elves, about 18% of Green Elves.

Which makes me think that pastrami and rye must be a Loskalm thing. Or maybe a Sog City delicacy.

Here's the more universally applicable version: THE TIDES Once per tidal cycle, Annilla plummets from the top of the sky dome (via the Pole Star gate), through the atmosphere and straight down Magasta’s Pool. Concurrently, the tides precipitously fall from highest to lowest in a single day. At this time she can sometimes be seen by keen-eyed observers who know where to look and which spells to use. As a result of these sightings, Annilla is also called the Blue Streak in various languages throughout the world. After its fall, the Blue Streak takes about a day to travel through the Underworld to the horizon and climbs along the upper Sky Dome in an apparently random pattern. It only rises when the constellation is directly in the east. Lorion it takes between one and six days to climb to the center of the sky, from which it plummets down again. The Blue Streak commands the ocean tides. During its climb, the waters slowly creep up. When it leaves the Pole Star and drops through Magasta’s Pool the tides precipitously drop to their lowest point, remaining there for about a day before beginning to rise again. The longer the Blue Streak takes to ascend, the higher the rides rise, but no one except the mysterious worshipers of the Blue Moon have ever been able to successfully predict this. Tidal Cycle: 1D6 days of rising tides +1 day of low tide The Lhankor Mhy cult has noticed that there is a connection between the extremes of the tides and the cycle of the Red Moon. When the high tide corresponds with the Full Moon, there is an extra high tide; when the low tide corresponds with the Dying or Black Moon, there is an extra low tide. As a corollary, when the high tide corresponds with the Dying or Black Moon, the high tide is not as pronounced; similarly, when the low tide corresponds with the Full Moon, the low tide is not as pronounced.

I didn't catch the error in 11 Lights.

The Tides The tides play a defining role in the geography of the Rightarm Islands. Much of the area is intertidal, exposed at low tide but submerged at high tide. Extremely low tides expose large areas of marshland and some islands become landlocked. As a result, passage through the islands at this time is the most challenging. In contrast, during a very high tide all but the driest spots remain above water and an experienced captain can easily take a small ship from the Rozgali to the Mirrorsea Bay through a myriad of channels. Two cosmic entities exert their influence on the waters around the islands. The Blue Moon, a once-powerful goddess was cast down from the sky during the Gods War. Though now diminished, she strives to regain her place in sky. As she climbs the celestial stairs, the world’s oceans rise with her pulling at her until exhausted she falls through Magasta’s Pool to the underworld to rest until she can begin her ascent again. The Blue Moon has been bound to this cycle since Time began; usually her strength gives out after only three or four days which results in only a moderate rise in the water. There are times however when she endures for five or six days, drawing the oceans even higher. Her decent is always swift, falling within a single day and releasing her influence on the oceans. The apotheosis of the Red Goddess sent a powerful ripple through the Middle Air that resonated with the oceans of Glorantha. The effects are still felt today as a pulsing disturbance emanating from the Lunar Empire. The waters of Glorantha rise and fall in response to the Moon phase in a fashion similar to the waxing and waning of Lunar power. In the Choralinthor and the Islands the effect is greatest each Godsday as the heightened power of the Full Moon of the Red Goddess pulls at the sea. The sea returns with a low tide coinciding with the Dying and Dark phases of the Moon. As regular as the Red Moon, the seas breath a weekly cycle of tides, but the erratic pull of the Blue Moon has a profound effect upon severity of this weekly tide. As the Blue Moon ascends the waters rise, but this can be enhanced or diminished by the phase of the Red Moon. The highest tides are when there is a conjunction of the Blue Moon’s zenith with a Full Red Moon, known as a Two Moon Tide. Likewise the lowest tides occur when the Blue Moon’s fall coincides with a Black or Dying Red Moon, called a Black Moon Tide. For the islands this can dramatically alter the landscape, exposing extensive mudflats and making reefs extremely hazardous to shipping during a low tide. The most dangerous tides are when the Blue Moon achieves a sustained ascent of six or more days combined with a Full Red Moon; when this happens, much of the Islands are submerged. Predicting an extreme tide is the remit of elusive priestesses of the Blue Moon, of which none are known to openly exist within the islands. Harrek’s Wolf Pirates however co-ordinate their raids with extreme high tides, but whether they employ Blue Moon priestesses or have acquired the knowledge themselves is unknown. For simplicity the water levels around the islands will be one of five conditions but which may also be exasperated by local climate conditions: • Black Moon Tide. The waters are at their very lowest when the The Blue Streak coincides with a Dark or Dying Red Moon. This lasts no more than a day, but the waters level is dangerously low. All but the deepest channels are exposed revealing extensive mudflats between the islands. Travelling between the islands is nearly impossible and best avoided. Off shore reefs and shoal banks also pose hazardous to shipping. • Low Tide. Only the upper mudflats are exposed but much of the waterways are shallow. Passage by small craft is possible. A favoured time of the local stilt fishermen and shell pickers. Larger boats need to navigate known deep channels or risk running aground. • Average. The water is at its median level. Only the reed beds and islands are exposed. Travel between the islands is simple with suitable craft. • High Tide. An infrequent occurrence that submerges much of the outlying marshes. Travel between the islands is easy but care must be taken to avoid partially submerged reed beds that could foul larger boats. Large sea predators such as sharks and pleisiosaurs often take advance of high tides to hunt in the channels. • Two Moon Tide. A rare event when a zenith Blue Moon coincides with the Full Red Moon. It begins with a Low Tide the previous Waterday and progresses with a steadily deepening tide for the following six days, completely submerging all the reed beds and flooding low lying islands. It is followed by a very sudden drop in the water level often pulling unsecured items out to sea.

Millet is native to Fonrit and Slontos. No wonder the Slontans supported the Goddess Switch.

Actually we got rid of potato bread and potatoes in the Guide.

Could also be that when Greg and I started playing around with Vinga circa 2010 Greg *really* didn't like the version presented in Storm Tribe. We also really didn't like the Lugh Samildanach rip-off presented in Storm Tribe. We bounced around what she was, and concluded that she is a female incarnation of Orlanth. She is the Shakti of Orlanth, like Maheshvari is that of Shiva, and Vashnavi is that of Vishnu. She manifests the power of Orlanth but in divine feminine form. There's probably other subcults like that with other Storm Gods, but I think Vinga is the only one that really took off.

But it isn't. Now that might be that the Middle Sea Empire never really got the chance or it could be that the Ernalda temples (which are likely major landholders) focus on einkorn, or it could be that no farmer wants to offend Esrola or it could be that in the Second Age there was rice, but most of the rice-cultivating area was destroyed in the Devastation of the Vent and nobody was left to reintroduce the Rice Goddess. Or it could be all of the above. That being said, I have it on good authority that Queen Samastina is partial to black rice from her stay in Dosakayo. And Teshnite silks. I've heard that Melibite food stalls can be found throughout much of the city, selling black rice noodles fried with pork and crocodile. And spiced with local Fire Chilis. Quite a few Sartarite exiles got the taste for that, and I understand that that the Boldhome Geo's serves black rice noodles when they can get it as a patriotic statement.