Ali the Helering

I don't suppose you remember when he said this? His Cambellian Monomyth phase, his Post-Modern phase or another entirely? The answer could change the implicit understanding completely.

Just as the GRoY is a piece of religious propaganda, IMG so is the idea of a unified Kralori Empire under an unbroken succession of draconic emperors (except of course for Shang Hsa (mhnba). The folk religions are downtrodden and unrecognised (officially) remnants of previous pantheons, hints of the Vithelan gods and anti-gods are to be found, especially on the borders, mystic movements from across time and before the Dawn abound. Oh yeah, and the mandarins and ambitious others follow the imperial cult of draconic emperors. I do love unnecessary complication 😇

I always assumed that there would be a constant trickle of pre-initiates bound hand and foot on their way to happier lands. Otherwise, as you say. 😩

Of course, the Blood Rain does enable his cultists to grow khorne.... 👹

Would that be 'Blood for the Blood Sun' then?

By the power of Greyskull, surely you're not implying potential plagiarism within the gaming community?????

Amen 😇.

Much as the Kralori might wish to deny it, linguistic influences don't all flow in one direction. The Imperial tongue is known to have been deliberately constructed from regional languages. Each of these will have been influenced by the other cultures amidst and around them. I make a small list to include Dragonewt draconic, Hsunchen tongues & dialects, Embyli, Teshnan, Pentan dialects and Stultan. Y Kralori language WV😳

Absolutely. YG will inevitably V. Happy roads, bro

Your argument would hold absolute sway if this were one of the game forum threads, whereas it is specifically the Glorantha page. These threads relate to the varied, conflicting, oft-Gregged and utterly fictitious literary sources. I am happy to talk Zelazny and the Amber DRPG till your ears bleed (ask my family), but not on the Glorantha forum.

Fethlon?

As ever vive la difference, or YGWV

Whilst I am, as I said earlier, in sympathy with some of the motivation here, I would like to point out that the moment you depart Maniria the same linguistic problems arise. The names mimic the cultures Greg used as models. My issue is with the rendering of some place names into English in the first place, an immersion breaker if ever there was one. On reflection, that may be why I prefer to play elsewhere... 🤔

That sounds suspiciously God Learnerist! Swapping gods again???? 😇

Yep. When the screaming and wall punching was over, you knew who to blame

Unfortunately I came to Glorantha before those days, and I still respect the original vision I encountered. Yep, things move on, but I don't think that it means trashing Greg's work in favour of a new and improved Glorantha. This is why I enjoy working with relatively 'Blank Lands', since my invention will not require massive reworking of Glorantha. My Glorantha certainly does vary. You have only to take a seat at my table to find that out. Further up & further in? The implication seems to be that that means 'better'. It ain't necessarily so. 🤔

I have to query this. Do you mean that Greg's original Sartar doesn't resemble certain northern European cultures and borrow their names?

While I understand the motivation behind this, and find it laudable in itself, I feel that we are engaged in a semi-conscious drift from Greg's intention for Glorantha. It was a playground for anthropology, not the invention of a game world that would be culturally sensitive. Stripping away his stereotypes may be satisfying to our sensibilities, but I think it leaves us with a world that is ever less Greg Stafford's Glorantha. ☹️

If only there were indicators that Gloranthan astronomy was as flawed and religiously motivated as in the RW. Oh, hang on a moment.....

Tuskrider staging area or another minor Hsunchen seem reasonable to me 😎

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24332370-500-the-time-paradox-how-your-brain-creates-the-fourth-dimension/ Since time appears to be perceptional rather than absolute, all one can do is quote Douglas Adams, master of 4 dimensions. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. Causality is a Brithini lie🙃

One thing that frequently distinguished maps from different eras is the placing of the most spiritually important site as the central point of the world. What a good job the world is free of intellectual slavery to the British Empire and no longer bases geography around the Greenwich Observatory in London! Oh..... 😁

I think that we make too many assumptions if we think that having a particular physical perspective means that Gloranthans see things in a way that is identical to ours. Our ideas have developed over millenia and we have only recently had an airborne viewpoint. In RW very little matters as much as belief, and Glorantha is probably the same. It seems likely to me that each culture would depict geography in terms of their own mythology rather than in a physically 'real & accurate' manner. Mapping materials similarly would vary, depending upon locally available substances and chemical and magical means of preservation. I would anticipate hide, baked clay, metal, chitin, bark, slate, papyrus as a start.

https://images.app.goo.gl/PhSqABtvfEUmdU8V6 If you prefer your city maps in Chalcolithic style 😎

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_Map_of_the_World When possible I prefer to use RW style maps. There are a variety of early maps available for imitation.