Ali the Helering

and reintegrating individuals into society after illness, broken gaeas or defilement, and conversing with the dead, and dealing with totemic spirits, and placating genius loci, and...... oh sorry, is that more than one job?

Let us never forget Veng/Ghevengus, now only treated as a demonic aspect inside Dara Happa. There is every reason to suppose that he continues in his full nature (God of Avilry) in Rinliddi. The name Ghevengus illustrating his celestial origin.

If you really wanted to justify the Heortling lack of a genuine sun god - which I don't - at a stretch you could take it back to rejection of Nysalor. I still think it a highly suspect decision, though. Elmal serves a real purpose as he is, and this great leap backwards does not 😕

A devout Hindu is not an occultist. They may be that as well, but it is not the same thing.

I have to say that I don't understand why it is preferable to strip away Elmal's fire powers and make him a subcult. I know it is being done, but cannot see why this is supposed to make Glorantha better. Given the great arguments that occurred when he was differentiated from Yelmalio, what was the point then, and what now?

Of course, even if they look alike and are capable of mating, that does not mean that they are fertile matings. Different origins might imply infertility, or at best a mulish infertile offspring.

A curse upon he who fathered thee, oh son of infamy, spawn of the Jrusteli!!! On the other hand, you might be right... 😜 Seriously though, even though they are IRW classified as Caprinae, muskox are Ovibos. This would tend to imply Nevala rather than Thed.

Woohoo! Corpsicles!

Alternatively, they might be mobile but greatly slowed and prone to shattering

Then it would need a title... perhaps something like 'keyword'? 😁

That's why I suggested hesitation rather than rejection. Your Visualisation of Glorantha Will Vary, but there are some that are, perhaps, closer to the source than others.

Given Sandy's history with respect to Glorantha and its inventor, I would be very hesitant in suggesting that his views were incorrect.

Just when you thought there wasn't another critical hit table to experience.....

I believe that you are looking for Lumaxovoran (sp?) mentioned in the old Gods of Glorantha

Pick your ancient economic source and go with it. Those I think make most sense treat the explosion of the black and grey markets in response to the Price Edict as destroying what little remained of the frail stability of Imperial economics. It was ignored because the damage had been done. The prices are a snapshot of the idealised prices desired by the powers that were. Interesting, but theoretical. The West Wing had an excellent episode which displayed distancing from the economic realities, as President and Staff are ignorant of the price of milk!

It was, and remains, a very popular theory of shamanism amongst some anthropologists. It was very much the hallmark of the Cambellian Monomyth, which Greg attributed to the Jrusteli in Glorantha. It is worth remembering that Greg wrote the Jrusteli up as a wildly dangerous people with no respect for local faiths. He had a fine mind for sarcastic 'digs' at his former lecturers. Many post-modern approaches favour the assumption of shared concepts as more of a human than a religious thing, with the religious aspects being best observed in the differences. I think that following this approach allows for far more variation, which I acknowledge is contrary to the present methodology. As will be obvious if you read back over my posts, I think previous approaches were both better approaches and far more MGF.

Unfortunately there is nothing besides her place within the Unity List at 48, between Glaumalos and Verendekelm.

Thanks☺️ I have been a student of shamanism for several decades, and have always had an interest in how people like to simulate it. Michael Harner's concept of 'Core Shamanism' falls into the tempting over-simplification of God Learnerism. Greg seemed to go down that line, but it isn't the only approach one could take. Harner emphasised the perceived commonality of experience, whereas I think what makes shamanism especially interesting is the variety of experience. Playing a shaman's spirits could IMO produce an interesting 'community game' as an alternative to a 'clan game'.

Returning to the OP, would it make for an interesting game if the players played a shaman's fetch and spirits?

RW of course, but Hapshepshut (sp?) was a female Pharaoh Another element to be considered with the Dragon Sun is that it was a powerful internal movement for reform. Cf reign of Elmatrayan, 'discovery' of Dismanthuyar, instant conversions etc etc

Yep, exactly what I said. A religious change acknowledging a new political reality, enforced yet overthrown by a traditionalist backlash.

I never suggested that such a thing would be warmly received, nor that there wouldn't be any backlash. The Dragon Sun was a perversion of normative Raibanthi theology, yet reigned for 30+ years. RW religious reform is frequently the successor to political and economic reform, and has, generally, to be enforced. Would it involve blood and horror? No doubt. That doesn't rule it out.

Using GRoY and FS I have been able to identify eight distinct Rites ( which include the Ten and, once, Eleven Tests) and six modified forms. Tradition is easily mutable, and if a dragon can be an 'impossible Emperor' I don't doubt that new Tests and Rites could be produced to sanctify a new political reality.

Rakenveg, if you don't mind! 🐰

To quote the Fortunate Succession, final para under the heading The Third Return "The Rite of Rejuvenation has misled some people to believe there has been more than one emperor since then, and the foolish historians of Darjiin even insist upon numbering them. Link to footnote 1- "Their numbers do not even match the number of our own masks". Personally I have a lot of respect for the Darjiini!