Ali the Helering

Eff asks whether it is credible that there are many lay members of Issaries or Humakt. The answer is a definite yes if the RW is our model. The number of lay worshippers taking their account books for blessing at Lakshmi puja can be staggering

My take is that imposing a single framework doesn't allow for the various national traditions and religious customs that adorn the lozenge. Consider how different RW religions are, and how their subordinate groupings vary within the one faith, dependent on nation, history, doctrine, and local resource availability. (The Talmudic discussion on which oils may be used in different countries is fascinating.) Initiate status indicates how that cult defines an individual who has a special relationship with the deity, yet doesn't have the single-minded approach and dedication and divine access of the devotee. Nice as the structure is, I am convinced Tindalos is a God-Learner, and must be shunned with great prejudice ☣️😁

They may buy them from the Lunars, given the caravan and other traders wanting the rare and exotic Pentan products and slaves.

I Fought We Defrosted as a future myth?

Ethel's been drinking again. She's legless

Or abbreviate Ethilrist as Ethel 😁

IMG Orlanth is the sum of his parts, the total of the Thunder Brothers. Each clan follows its own storm god, each understood to be a part of the greater whole.

Some of my best friends are Jajalorings

No need to get catty

Yep, it could be. My point was that the two arguments don't fuse neatly. As has been said, the Thunder Brothers are an exception, but so are many others. Rules are often misleading, guidelines being far more useful. Your Subcult Will Vary😁

I should have thought that local demonic powers would certainly interfere, but whether they wander or are genius loci would probably vary.

These arguments appear mutually contradictory. Either the subcult has no existence outside of a central cult, or it can be shared between several. Indeed, it was previously stated that Hedkoranth had a distinct cult. I appreciate that the system has changed, but that doesn't mean that the Gloranthan mythology changes. The mode of simulation does not change that which is being simulated, quantum universes aside😎

Indeed, but he has also been listed as a subcult of Orlanth. This is a separate existence, nicht wahr?

Since Helamakt (Heler as thane of Orlanth) and Heler both exist, surely this isn't universally true?

IIRC the Kuschile subcult of Yelmalio (possibly no longer canon) taught the skill of horse archery. Even if my memory is at fault, it is perfectly reasonable for there to be specific skills.

No follower of the True Sun would sell out to a lunar (and therefore lesser) deity. Since the Char-Un have done so, logically they do not follow the True Sun. QED

Dear God!!!! Your Cthulhu May Vary??????

HQ1as it happens, and I never said that he slew the Bat. Simply felled it, for a time. He destroyed the cult's means of control and banished it from this world. However, to me, this was still too much and profoundly unsatisfying. He DID NOT deserve to do it. It was a suicidal final stroke, and I never expected anything other than automatic death, which I would have unhesitatingly accepted.

I always assumed that a trickster aspect for Yelm would be called Roflmao🤪

It is a demon 'cos the clan priest says it is. After all, who knows better?

In one campaign I played an exile from my clan, but still linked in to a clan grouping. Although the GM was most insistent that it was a clan game, it was he who was frustrated when we refused to play as murder-hobos! The exile allowed for politics, but it was no more utilised than my Helering's bisexuality, due to the GM being a prude. 😇🧞‍♂️

I have never understood it as permission giving, but rather as Greg's understanding that not all of us enjoyed being Gregged. Ditto the latest incarnation of 'canon'. My Glorantha Does Vary in that it retains many items that are no longer canon, but that I treasure from previous visions. I have never needed permission for that👹

Oh yeah, I was not wishing to claim either completeness or authority! I just enjoy generating entire regions for my own amusement (and my wife's occasional despair), and am happy to share

I am afraid I do get your point, I simply disagree with it. I love Greg's creation, but I am nowhere near as in love with the present vision of play within it. It may simply be the simulationist within me disliking the narrativist trend, but that is not invalid of itself. I am a fan of the Amber setting, and I found the DRPG to be a very good simulation of it, with a dedicated gaming group of thirteen players plus myself playing for over three years in one campaign. As ever, we'll have to agree to differ, or, as someone might have said, Your Gaming Experiences Will Vary

I am afraid that I don't feel that this takes my comment seriously, and Mary-Sueism it certainly isn't. My point is simply that you aren't speaking for everyone when you assert that 'that isn't the sort of game you want to play'. Every player is different, and I can honestly say that having played a Feller-of-the-Crimson Bat, the experience was unsatisfying. It relied on luck rather than ability. Some of us want certain things to remain a challenge beyond human capability. Now if my character had been a demi-god rather than a hero, that would have been a different matter…..