Your Dumbest Theory

[Eff]

16 hours ago, scott-martin said:

(unless you're really into Denegeria) 

Not a dumb theory, but a precondition for it: Denegeria is a Lightfore deity and the prototype of the Young God mythology, and the later Pelandan psychopomp Idojartos is another manifestation of her. 

The dumb theory: Idojartos leaps into the Black Mountain/palace of Ganestoro. There are four leaping stars known to the Dara Happans. The north and east stars are white, and the south and west stars are red. The Lightfore planet is yellow. The sky is blue, and three of the four jumpers definitely spend time invisible in the blue sky. Thus, we have all three parts of the worldly color progression of the spiral path, with the golden pure deity set apart, but the spiral path repeats twice- once on an east-west arc, and one on a north-south arc. 

As such, there was one a golden light in the sky that moved from north to south, and because of its absence, many planets drift along irregular paths. What was that light's name? When did they vanish, and where did they go? 

[Techpriest]

Trying to piece together the Many Suns/Cold Sun/Lightfore/Yelmalio mythos is making me feel like Charlie Day looking for Pepe Silvia

[scott-martin]

32 minutes ago, Eff said:

The dumb theory: Idojartos leaps into the Black Mountain/palace of Ganestoro.

Love it. The Leapers (Haitian French: kavalye yo, also the knights) always felt like a survival from a separate sky system imperfectly incorporated into the solar empire. "They do not rotate with the rest of the dome." This can be the trace of how they got here. 

I had forgotten that all Pelandan woman have a "denegeria," a spirit guardian something like the "elf" that tries to look out for all Brownie Scouts. Giving her pants and a new name is an interesting way to take her forward into the patriarchal overlay, hinting at why the ostensibly male family of Oria does not appear on the Wall with names we would recognize today. 

(If "denegeria" is the present participle of "living" then she is a supreme Kate Bush reference: just being alive / it can really hurt.)

But like you say Idojartos comes too late for Plentonius, which suggests that the Pelandan religious landscape wasn't eradicated or otherwise fixed in the ancient never never but kept developing historically alongside and in conversation with the imperial narrative. The challenge here is that I don't think records exist unless you in your uh travels discover some.  "Look upon Hagu, who was once beautiful." 

I vaguely recall a reference to Denegeria as the special tutelary cult of Queen Deezola but can't place it right now.

Where does Row III come from? What story does it tell? 

[scott-martin]

1 hour ago, Techpriest said:

Trying to piece together the Many Suns/Cold Sun/Lightfore/Yelmalio mythos is making me feel like Charlie Day looking for Pepe Silvia

It's a valiant effort although I recognize the frustration. Try running parts of the film backward . . . instead of starting with a universal golden age that disintegrates, start with many little local suns that are always being born in various parts of the world, then watch some of them grow toward patriarchal status only to get ripped apart by rivals (including their own jealous father!), go "cold" in other ways, brought down by a pack of disinherited bastards, drift into cosmic exile. One of them eventually becomes the current Yelm. The others circle around, maybe even hidden in separate pantheons.

I think about the primal horde in Freud a lot here.

Edited October 9 by scott-martin
clarify the backward

[radmonger]

In a military context, the most useful application of the Flight spell is to let a rider wear armor on a horse that would otherwise be too small for heavy cavalry work.

3 Rune points lets you fly for 15 minutes at a MOV of 12. But, unless you are a demigod, you will die to mased missile fire well before your time is up. Meanwhile, the same 3 RP would let you ride an average-size horse wearing full bronze armour for a day.

 

 

[scott-martin]

19 minutes ago, radmonger said:

In a military context, the most useful application of the Flight spell is to let a rider wear armor on a horse that would otherwise be too small for heavy cavalry work.

This is great. The rider cultures probably developed a lot of movement magic that we would file under "Flight."

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New spin on the 7M cabal just dropped, tag your favorite in the comments
 

 

[mfbrandi]

8 minutes ago, scott-martin said:

It’s a valiant effort although I recognize the frustration.

I believe this was our old mantra:

• The myths contradict each other and we will not play Sophie’s Choice.

In which case we cannot use all the jigsaw pieces and make a gapless rectangle (or indeed lozenge). Not all of the myths are true, but we have taken a solemn vow not to rat any of them out and toss them into the kindly maw of Kajabor. That would be just too rude.

The Canon Police° — fools all — have options:

• Hide some of the jigsaw pieces down the back of the sofa in an act of gratuitous thinning.
• Declare that some contradictions are true — probably with a codicil that little contradictions are fine while whoppers are beyond the pale (in a bizarre reach for intellectual credibility).

None of which is to say that there isn’t fun in assembling maximal consistent subsets … and in getting out the fretsaw to make pieces to fill in the gaps. Of course we are going to do that. But the unused pieces are ever calling to us — there are always different, incompatible stories crying, “Me next time!” 😉

 

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° If you are reading this footnote, I surely don’t mean you!

[Eff]

1 hour ago, scott-martin said:

Where does Row III come from? What story does it tell? 

Something that strikes me about Plentonius is that when he talks about stars, he describes eight of the stars of Burburstus as "virtue stars" and the later redaction equates them with the eight original planets... which the Wendarian yonic tribe knew as Entekos's necklace, which she wore when rising into the sky as Dendara. 

Of course, Burburstus is uncoiled when in the astral plane, a wiggly line in the sky, and is really eleven stars, making up the ten planets the Buserian types saw as making up perfection, and the Sun. One of these eleven lights, Plentonius says, was split into the star Burburstus's Eye and the star Dragon, the green star of the Broken Planet. 

So how about that Row III? Patterns certainly repeat here, especially with the stick figures that imply Selshena may be Lokarnos's balance. Even within the row itself, there are five clear triplets and three more clear pairs, with only Gerendetho, Sagittus, Biselenslib, and Deseeti/Kenstrata standing by themselves. But even they can be paired by shared symbolic associations. Row III, much like the Star Wars prequels, is so dense. There's so much going on. 

Nothing really from the northwest to east of Raibanth, unless we put Orogeria as specifically Darsenite. West to southeast in a big arc. Something interesting in that, and in Vantestos being in a different row from either Naveria or Natha.

[radmonger]

 

 

Edited October 10 by radmonger

[Orlanthatemyhamster]

The Red Emperor comes to in the shower in 1628, Deneskerva whispers, 'It was all a dream Bobby.'

Fade to Black.

Edited October 10 by Orlanthatemyhamster
Terrible terrible English.

[Tindalos]

The Ducks of Dragon Pass are in a time loop, with them first appearing when during the Inhuman Occupation, establishing a population, and then eventually some flee the Duck Hunts into the Upland Marsh and travel back in time to become their ancestors.

(Based on what's most likely a confusion between Dragonkill and Dragonrise on page 54 of the new Dragon Pass book)

[mfbrandi]

4 hours ago, Tindalos said:

The Ducks of Dragon Pass are in a time loop

How do we feel about death rune time loop decay — from Howard Humaktsson to Donald Demon Lord?

Spoiler

Scrawled beneath the familiar graffito “Bird lives” we start to find “… and Arkat is a duck”. When all four Feathered Rivals are manifest, the End Times are upon us.

[Erol of Backford]

Dwarves are the original God Learners.

They've used cryogenics since before time generating creatures.

Dwarves also taught the God Learners cryogenics so they could conduct research at the Psychic Zoo on otherworld beings.

Some of the God Learners are still in this suspended animation state in some caverns in Prax and below the Zoo ruins.

   

They also use the pressurized containers as submersibles and pod cars on their subterranean rail systems.

 

[Joerg]

  

On 10/10/2024 at 1:08 PM, Eff said:

Gloranthan mysticism is consistently described as renunciate and, when properly practiced, rejects the importance of the inhabitants of the perceptual world

Much of it is, but the Venfornic way seems to seek unity with the entirety of the material world in order to transcend that.

[JayLay]

On 10/10/2024 at 2:08 AM, scott-martin said:

Love it. The Leapers (Haitian French: kavalye yo, also the knights) always felt like a survival from a separate sky system imperfectly incorporated into the solar empire. "They do not rotate with the rest of the dome." This can be the trace of how they got here.

One dumb theory that I have for the leapers is that they are all "Earth Stars". They don't rotate because Gata doesn't rotate: as below, so above yada yada.

This contrasts with celestial storms (and Orlanth's Ring which spirals through the skies), the celestial river (which actually doesn't stay fixed IMG and changes its course through the sky), and the black of Night itself (or the black stars of hell, but I don't have enough RP with Annilha to actually make them out yet).

The leapers are then those constant cardinal stars that hold up Glorantha's net at the four celestial corners of the cosmos.

[Ali the Helering]

Why do we accept the Yelmite belief that the Godswall is a depiction of their pantheon? 

Since we know it has been painted and repainted over Time, if not before, the iconography is massively suspect, as are (obviously) Plentonius' identifications.

Edited Saturday at 03:11 PM by Ali the Helering
grammar

[Alex]

On 10/9/2024 at 4:23 PM, radmonger said:

In a military context, the most useful application of the Flight spell is to let a rider wear armor on a horse that would otherwise be too small for heavy cavalry work.

Love it.  Clearly there's additional categories of cavalry beyond Heavy and Light:  there's the Extra-Light, as above.  Then of course there's the Negative Buoyancy brigade -- skybulls, hippogriffs, etc. 

[mfbrandi]

This is how British government economic forecasting works:

• Government debt will be falling in the fifth year of the forecast.
• It is a rolling five years: jam tomorrow, but never jam today.

So it is with the dwarf plan to “fix” the World Machine:

• It will be back on track in five years.
• They don’t even know what needs fixing … but luckily the fifth year is always five years in the future.

[mfbrandi]

Denegoria is clearly a portmanteau:

• DENdara
• GORgorma
• ORIA
• The E must be dropped … but look at her dance!

Spoiler

The dances, which reflect Mexican syncretism, went on for hours.
— Chantal Flores, Los Angeles Times, 15 December 2023

Edited Wednesday at 05:33 PM by mfbrandi
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