AndreJarosch Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 We all know Asborn Thriceborn (Stats in the Adventure book of "GM Screen Pack", etc.) In "King of Sartar" (in "Events of My Life" on page 212 in purple paperback edition, page 181 hardcover edition): >>>1624 Asborn Thriceborn in town. (Orlanth freed.)1625 Orlaront raises a dragon, King Blackmoor is destoyed, Clay/Harmony/Earth. I follow Asborn Fourborn. We burn the plantations. <<< What is your idea when and how Asborn gets killed and ressurrected again in 1625? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 hours ago, AndreJarosch said: We all know Asborn Thriceborn (Stats in the Adventure book of "GM Screen Pack", etc.) In "King of Sartar" (in "Events of My Life" on page 212 in purple paperback edition, page 181 hardcover edition): >>>1624 Asborn Thriceborn in town. (Orlanth freed.)1625 Orlaront raises a dragon, King Blackmoor is destoyed, Clay/Harmony/Earth. I follow Asborn Fourborn. We burn the plantations. <<< What is your idea when and how Asborn gets killed and ressurrected again in 1625? One possibility is in the same paragraph - Orlaront raises a dragon. Although it is weird that Asborn comes back (again) and Minaryth Purple doesn't. Otherwise, it could have been earlier that year, e.g. in the company of King Broyan, but again, why would Asborn be the one to re-emerge from that pile of corpses? The Battle of Pennel Ford is a distant possibility, but again, that's a mess of thousands of corpses. So probably a way more personal demise - possibly in a duel against a champion of Blackmoor. Standing up for whom? But then, the GM screen package still has him as Thriceborn, after the plantations were burned. Two possibilities feel somewhat plausible - either Minaryth projects a later death back to this event, or the way Asborn dies and returns is kept from common knowledge, but Minaryth is somehow privy to that secret. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreJarosch Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just to let anybody know: I don´t try to nitpic here. I would like to know the event Thriceborn becomes Fourborn, because i would love to let my PCs participate in the adventure/situation/event that causes his death (and ressurection). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorus Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Looks like it is wide open. 1625 was an eventful year and it doesn't take much to kill someone in RQ, so it could be whatever you want. And the reason why Asborn gets resurrected when others do not is in the books. I won't put a spoiler in, just in case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) He went to hell on a Heroquest and came back? I thought he comes back to life as a power similar to a shaman from what I recall but of course where I saw that escapes me just like what caused his 4th death!? Edited February 5, 2023 by Erol of Backford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccercalle Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 The nick-name would probably survivw some deaths and resurrections. Its hard for most people to keep track on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Adding a thought from Enclosure 01 1997 p.11: During the summons of evil Asborn Gunnarson volunteered to be the scapegoat and erected the 13 effigies and was disowned by his father and stripped of position and possessions. https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/GloranthaDigest/vol04/1153.html They drove Asborn out of the clan violently which he didn't anticipate. We all spoke of Asborn as being dead. Could this be that he was called Ashborn Twiceborn because he eventually reclaimed his name from that of Horselegs by deed of some sort while living with the the Colymar, rather than having been killed for real the first time? Curious why he was driven out, does anyone who rises the effigies for a summons of evil get driven out and if so why not pay someone from another clan to do it? What's the deal and why would they be called a scapegoat? Does scape "goat" have anything to do with being figuratively a broo by chance. (don't really think so but was a funny thought) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 On 12/11/2021 at 8:37 PM, Joerg said: One possibility is in the same paragraph - Orlaront raises a dragon. Getting eaten by a dragon is one of the better ways to stop resurrection, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 16 hours ago, Erol of Backford said: Curious why he was driven out, does anyone who rises the effigies for a summons of evil get driven out and if so why not pay someone from another clan to do it? What's the deal and why would they be called a scapegoat? Being a scapegoat means that all the sins of the clan fall upon you. In this case, Ashborn might have taken the blame for the Clan's wrongdoings, expecting to be ritually cleansed in some way, but the Summons of Evil HeroQuest might have gone wrong in some way and the blame stuck, forcing him to be exiled. I don't think that this happens to everyone, and erecting effigies is normally a good way of shifting blame to the effigies so that the Clan is safe. In Ashborn's case it went horribly wrong. 16 hours ago, Erol of Backford said: Does scape "goat" have anything to do with being figuratively a broo by chance. (don't really think so but was a funny thought) It was a tradition in the real world to place all the sins on a real goat and drive it out, thus removing sins from the village. It came to mean someone who took the blame for someone else's misdeeds, often unwillingly. 1 1 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfbrandi Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Erol of Backford said: What's the deal and why would they be called a scapegoat? It is better to be the scapegoat than the other goat — who gets sacrificed: Quote And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering … And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat. And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. — Leviticus 16 Spoiler Compare with a sin-eater who — if my infidel brain has grasped both ideas — unlike the scapegoat puts their own soul at risk in consuming the sins of others. (Everyone hopes there will be a next generation to consume their sins on death, but with all the buck passing, this surely becomes a riskier proposition with every generation — in the end times, there will be many generations of consolidated sin looking for takers. Think before agreeing to eat the sins of a sin-eater.) Edited August 6, 2023 by mfbrandi unwanted auto-emoji Quote NOTORIOUS VØID CULTIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qizilbashwoman Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 1 hour ago, mfbrandi said: It is better to be the scapegoat than the other goat — who gets sacrificed: Reveal hidden contents Compare with a sin-eater who — if my infidel brain has grasped both ideas — unlike the scapegoat puts their own soul at risk in consuming the sins of others. (Everyone hopes there will be a next generation to consume their sins on death, but with all the buck passing, this surely becomes a riskier proposition with every generation — in the end times, there will be many generations of consolidated sin looking for takers. Think before agreeing to eat the sins of a sin-eater.) you are either the blade or the stone - Lorgar, Bearer of the Word 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 3 hours ago, mfbrandi said: It is better to be the scapegoat than the other goat — who gets sacrificed: I assumed they were one and the same!? 3 hours ago, mfbrandi said: but with all the buck passing, this surely becomes a riskier proposition with every generation Sounds like modern debt economics... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfbrandi Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Qizilbashwoman said: you are either the blade or the stone - Lorgar, Bearer of the Word … or the paper? ——————————————EDIT: Perhaps it is a matter of perspectives, of persons: “I — as bearer of the word — am paper, but you are blade (scissors) or stone (rock).” Edited August 7, 2023 by mfbrandi perspective 1 Quote NOTORIOUS VØID CULTIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfbrandi Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Erol of Backford said: I assumed they were one and the same!? To be fair, in modern uses, the scapegoat is one who suffers in another’s place, but not in the bible. I guess if we called it the escape goat, the doubleness would be clear. Spoiler On 8/6/2023 at 3:29 AM, Erol of Backford said: Does scape "goat" have anything to do with being figuratively a broo by chance. (don't really think so but was a funny thought) But the broo were driven into the wilderness bearing our sins. This being Glorantha, our sins may have made them monsters, so if they have now come back to bite us (or worse) in the arse, it is our fault. Should have followed Patti’s advice and owned our own sins. Not so much sin-eaters as sin-regurgitators … with interest. Edited August 7, 2023 by mfbrandi aside 1 Quote NOTORIOUS VØID CULTIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 10 hours ago, mfbrandi said: escape goat That is funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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