M Helsdon Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Composition of the Sartar Free Army A large portion of Sartar’s army consists of mercenaries and outlanders, with only the core drawn from Sartarite tribes and City Rings. Brotherhood of Death Sartarite Eaglebrown Warlocks Sartarite Earth Twins Tarshite Egglord Warlocks Hendriki Eleven Lights Sartarite Free Philosophers Sartarite Mularik’s Men Western mercenaries Snakepipe Dancers Sartarite Tosti Runefriend’s Company Light Sartarite Warm Sisters Esrolian Bullocks Praxian Swordbrothers Tourney Altar Twin Spear Praxian Antlercase Sartarite Kheldon tribe Colymar Sartarite Colymar tribe Headhunters Sartarite Culbrea tribe Pavis Royal Guard Pavis Thieves’ Arm Pavis - many Sartarite adventurers. Tworidge Sartarite Malani tribe Bush Rangers Tarshite, Grazelander, Sartarite mercenaries. Boldhome Royal Guard Sartarite Free Men Hendriki Gold Gotti Mercenaries Guildsmen Sartarite 1st Bush Children Tarshite 2nd Bush Children Tarshite 3rd Bush Children Tarshite Candle Dancers Sartarite Wolf Runners Sartarite Duck City Militia Sartarite Tribal Levies Sartarite Tribal Levies Sartarite Flash Jack High Llama Tribe And-Jay Bison Tribe Krise Sable Tribe 1st Pol-Joni Pol-Joni 2nd Pol-Joni Pol-Joni 3rd Pol-Joni Pol-Joni 1st Amber High Llama Tribe 2nd Amber High Llama Tribe Potor Bison Tribe Ansil Heavy Rhino Tribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g33k Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Are there official numbers that go with those? Are you allowed to release those, if so? If all the above are "yes"es... is it a reasonable amount of work to ask you to do? Quote C'es ne pas un .sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 4 hours ago, g33k said: Are there official numbers that go with those? Most infantry regiments have a nominal thousand troops; cavalry around five hundred. Magical units tend to vary. Much of the 'data' is derived from the Dragon Pass boardgame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Did you replace Sir Narib's company (Nochet-based, according to Harald's city map) with Mularik? I'm missing Baron Sanuel from Smithstone, too. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I would make the Swordbrothers Praxian. The Flash Jack, Amber and Potor were once said (verbally) to be Pol Joni related (ie they weren't pol joni but had similar origins) rather than Praxian. I have no idea what the current story is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Some 5 hours ago, metcalph said: I have no idea what the current story is. Some current story (note that all khans wear metal armor) The 2x 6-5-5-0 Units Quote The Twin Spears are led by the Waha Khan, Two Spear (Yazurkial’s brother) of the High Llama Tribe. Along with his bodyguard are 5 Waha Khans leading 120 warriors each High Llama Warriors. Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance or spear, javelin, axe or sword, shield. Morale: Veteran. Quote The Sword Brothers are led by the Sword Khan Zamalath (Yazurkial’s half brother) of the High Llama Tribe. along with 300 Warriors. High Llama Warriors. Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance or spear, javelin, sword, shield. Morale: Veteran. The 3x 5-3-5-4 Units Quote The Flash Jak unit is led by the High Llama Tribal Khan, Yazurkial Blue Llama, his bodyguard is led by Waha Khan Bastaki the Poet and his 48 warriors. Magical support is from Flash Jak, the Tribal Shaman of the High Llama Tribe and his assistants. Also likely are 4 Waha Khans leading 120 warriors each. High Llama Tribal Khan & Companions. Heavy Cavalry. Metal Armor. Lance, axe, shield. Morale: Elite. High Llama Warriors. Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance or spear, javelin, axe or sword, shield. Morale: Veteran. Quote The Krise unit is led by the Bison Tribal Khan, Akasha Ironspear. Magical support is from Krise, the Tribal Shaman of the Bison Tribe and his assistants. Also likely are 4 Waha Khans leading 120 warriors each. Bison Warriors. Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance, sword, javelin, shield. Morale: Veteran Bison Tribal Khan & Companions. Heavy Cavalry. Metal Armor. Lance, sword, javelin, shield. Morale: Elite. Quote And-Jay unit is led by the Sable Tribal Khan, Roneer the Hue. Magical support is from And-Jay, the Tribal Shaman of the Sable Tribe and his assistants. Also likely are 4 Waha Khans leading 120 warriors each. Children of Kyritha (Sable Sub-tribe/phratry) Sable Warriors. Light Cavalry. Leather Armor. Spear, javelin, sword, shield. Morale: Veteran. Sable Tribal Khan & Companions. Light Cavalry. Metal Armor. Spear, javelin, sword, shield. Morale: Elite. 4x 4-3-5 Units Quote Amber Clan 1, Llama Tribe Waha Khan with 5 Waha Khans leading 120 warriors each High Llama Warriors. Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance or spear, javelin, axe or sword, shield. Morale: Veteran. Quote Ansil Clan, Rhino Tribe Waha Khan with 5 Waha Khans leading 120 warriors each Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance, axe or mace. Morale: Regular. Quote Potor Clan, Wind Khan Khardaziel Blackwind (Cousin to Yazurkial's wife) of the High Llama Tribe leading 120 Warriors, with Wind Khan Bistungji (Kin to Yazurkial) of the High Llama Tribe leading 120 Warriors, Wind Khan Lower Farangli (Son of Bistungji) of the High Llama Tribe leading 120 Warriors and Wind Khan (Sister of Khardaziel) of the High Llama Tribe leading 120 Warriors. High Llama Warriors. Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance or spear, javelin, axe or sword, shield. Morale: Veteran. Quote Amber Clan 2, Storm Khan Eight-Horn of the High Llama Tribe leading 110 Warriors, with a mix of 300 other warriors including 3 khans. High Llama Warriors. Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance or spear, javelin, axe or sword, shield. Morale: Veteran. Impala Warriors. Light Cavalry. No Armor. Bow, short sword. Morale: Veteran. Bison Warriors. Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance, sword, javelin, shield. Morale: Veteran Sable Warriors. Light Cavalry. Leather Armor. Spear, javelin, sword, shield. Morale: Veteran. 3x 5-5-5 Units are Pol-Joni this looks right to me although some errors may have crept in... 1 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 9 hours ago, Joerg said: Did you replace Sir Narib's company (Nochet-based, according to Harald's city map) with Mularik? I'm missing Baron Sanuel from Smithstone, too. I believe that Narib and Sanuel are no longer canonical. 9 hours ago, metcalph said: I would make the Swordbrothers Praxian. I believe that the Swordbrothers include members of all Praxian tribes, as well as a number of non-Praxians. 9 hours ago, metcalph said: The Flash Jack, Amber and Potor were once said (verbally) to be Pol Joni related (ie they weren't pol joni but had similar origins) rather than Praxian. I have no idea what the current story is. I believed that: Flash Jack and the Ambers are High Llama Tribe magical societies. Potor are a Bison Tribe magical society. However, it seems I am incorrect regarding Potor. Will update my notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 40 minutes ago, M Helsdon said: I believe that Narib and Sanuel are no longer canonical. Sir Narib's Hall and Sir Narib's Compnay Barracks appear on the map of Nochet just south of the Harmast Gate. The map in question is a recent one and put up http://www.glorantha.com/nochet-city-of-queens/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 56 minutes ago, M Helsdon said: I believe that Narib and Sanuel are no longer canonical. While I haven't been a guardian of Gloranthan canonicity for more than a decade now, I am fairly confident that the original units of the Dragon Pass boardgame are being kept canonical. There are (unpublished, of course) fragments of stories about the Seshnegi venture in Kethaela and Kerofinela which probably draw upon these characters. There may well be changes to Sanuel's presentation as of Dragon Pass: Land of Doom, but I don't think he will be written out of Gloranthan canon entirely. Why, even Redbird the Sage remains... Peter confirmed the re-appearance of Sir Narib in the recent Nochet project, and I am confident that we will see something of Sanuel in the planned Heortland volume of the Kethaelan books. Is it just me, or does "Narib" sound a bit like a Pithdaran name? Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, metcalph said: Sir Narib's Hall and Sir Narib's Compnay Barracks appear on the map of Nochet just south of the Harmast Gate. The map in question is a recent one and put up http://www.glorantha.com/nochet-city-of-queens/ That may be, but in talking with Jeff a year or two ago, Narib was replaced by Mularik, at least in the Sartar Free Army. Of course, things may have changed since then. I also understood that Sanuel was removed, but again, things may have changed. Additional: I've checked through some Army Lists Jeff authored a few years ago: Sanuel appears in the earliest draft but is later replaced by Mularik. Narib was never listed. Things may have changed... Edited July 28, 2016 by M Helsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Joerg said: Peter confirmed the re-appearance of Sir Narib in the recent Nochet project Yes, Sir Narib exists and, yes, his company still exists. It was missed in the original army list and Jeff has a writeup for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 8 hours ago, jajagappa said: Yes, Sir Narib exists and, yes, his company still exists. It was missed in the original army list and Jeff has a writeup for it. Would be interested in any information you can share. Is the Company divided into the Stags and Boars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 3 hours ago, M Helsdon said: Would be interested in any information you can share. Is the Company divided into the Stags and Boars? Here's a couple of the index references from the Nochet Guide that are pertinent. I believe Sir Narib has largely hired Heortlanders and Esrolians to protect his sorcerers. M22.Sir Narib’s Company’s Barracks. Current residence of Sir Narib’s mercenary company when not out in the field in service. Narib paid the Caprati family handsomely to take over this building. M23.Sir Narib’s Hall. An adventurer from Pithdaros, Narib was once a sorcerer in the service of King Rikard of Malkonwal. When his king fled from the Lunar Empire in 1620, Narib formed a “company” with the surviving sorcerers; Sir Narib’s company found its way to Esrolia where he has variously hired out his followers to those willing to pay. Narib is indifferent to the local Malkioni and does not acknowledge the leadership of any local Talar, though he has found several recruits from amongst the local Esvulari including Tathorine, daughter of the Speaker of Aeol! M27.House of the Stag. The warrior society of the Stag meets here to learn and practice its skills. They are known for their speed and maneuverability and serve the Caprati family. Horali of the Stag regiment never sport beards or mustaches and keep their hair cropped. M28.House of the Boar. The warrior society of the Boar is housed here. Known for their tenacious and ferocious attacks, as well as their thick and bristly mustaches, they are sworn to the du Tumerine family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 44 minutes ago, jajagappa said: Here's a couple of the index references from the Nochet Guide that are pertinent. I believe Sir Narib has largely hired Heortlanders and Esrolians to protect his sorcerers. Interesting. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 On 7/28/2016 at 4:46 PM, David Scott said: Quote Potor Clan, Wind Khan Khardaziel Blackwind (Cousin to Yazurkial's wife) of the High Llama Tribe leading 120 Warriors, with Wind Khan Bistungji (Kin to Yazurkial) of the High Llama Tribe leading 120 Warriors, Wind Khan Lower Farangli (Son of Bistungji) of the High Llama Tribe leading 120 Warriors and Wind Khan (Sister of Khardaziel) of the High Llama Tribe leading 120 Warriors. High Llama Warriors. Heavy Cavalry. Leather Armor. Lance or spear, javelin, axe or sword, shield. Morale: Veteran. Looking at Sartar: Kingdom of Heroes, page 231, the Potor are described as a Pol-Joni clan, formed from refugees of the Dundealos tribe. Am wondering if canon has changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 13 hours ago, M Helsdon said: Looking at Sartar: Kingdom of Heroes, page 231, the Potor are described as a Pol-Joni clan, formed from refugees of the Dundealos tribe. Am wondering if canon has changed? Maybe, my info is unpublished so Sartar is correct. Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 2 hours ago, David Scott said: Maybe, my info is unpublished so Sartar is correct. Canon can change... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zit Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 11 minutes ago, M Helsdon said: Canon can change... With a proper Heroquest ? Quote Wind on the Steppes, role playing among the steppe Nomads. The running campaign and the blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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