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If I were a GM I would have absolutely denied that requirement/taboo. Uz eat enlo as a regular part of their lifestyle and female uz give birth to large litters all the time. It's a cheat! It's like a Waha Praxian (i.e. not a "false Praxian" like a Pol Joni) taking a vow not to ride a horse.

Doburdan has his place in Peloria but he's not appropriate to match against Orlanth. At least Yelmalio v. Elmal is not a case of "one is the asskicking king of the gods and the other is a mild thunderstorm son who would barely make the cut as a Thunder Brother and doesn't even have any myths"; Elmal had (has YMWV) a role and a story and even a rivalry/brohood with Heler over the yearly marriage to the goddess. ... if I'm mad about Elmal being deleted it's because I like Elmal and his myths. Yelmalio and his followers are misogynists, also Lunar- and Solar-adjacent, also tied to Nysalor, and run giant slave plantations. Also, he's BORING. I struggle to understand the appeal to Storm peoples. I really do.

Hence why I suggested contraception was likely... people in the real world used various methods to avoid having too many children outside of specific kinds of environments because it really wasn't advantageous. Also, we've got magic, and there's no way contraception isn't a fast and easy thing. lmao ain't that the truth. roll for damage to your toe. i mean... i guess so? there's still the Late Lunar Empire, massive worldwide slavery, and Chaos, so I mean, yeah, the significant reduction in Orlanthing child death is good?

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be disruptive. A similar discussion was happening in Pendragon about women and childbirth recently and it was revealed that nearly all gamers used a hack because nobody wanted all the women to die in childbirth so I thought I would weigh in because the issue is somewhat similar. Consider what HQG says about why clans exist: If literally half the children are dying of disease when women are largely initiates of Ernalda whose exact remit is motherhood, birth and children; White Women and shamans exist in non-zero quantities; and wyters literally exist to defend the community from threats like Mallia's spirit children, then what is going on? The maths really don't work out. I accept childhood deaths aren't gonna be negligible, but half? Half? To keep low population, in the real world, people did it themselves with abortifacients and contraception. They didn't want that many children. The people who are going to suffer this kind of population are Sun Country helots: no decent gods, field slavery. Orlanthi are herders and farmers in rough terrain with many clans and limited expansion. They don't want to grow explosively.

My bad, I was running off some memory. I'm guessing maybe... GtG? Did they get a write-up?

I guess I wasn't clear that my view was outside of the maths. The maths don't make sense because it doesn't make sense with how Glorantha works. That mortality rate seems way too high before 15.

There's the House of Black Arkat in Nochet, did they get a write-up ever? That's explicitly a school of sorcery right in the heart of an uz-friendly city.

The effects of the moon are not dependent on the temples, as you can access Lunar magic without them. You are right about the appearance, as I said, but not about the effects of the Moon. I'd asked whether or not the Red Moon affects places like Jrustela and Pamaltela, or is Lunar magic restricted to a region in or around Genertela only. that's the context. Hence my clarification about the temples enhancing Lunar magic.

the TRM provide expansion of the Glowline, which allows you to pretend it's the Full Moon when casting Lunar magic (which is affected by the Lunar phase). This is also why the Crimson Bat was employed in Lunar wars, as it, too, provides a Glowline expansion around it for miles, preventing enemies from striking down the Lunar magicians on waning days when their magic sucked. We know after it failed the Moon visibly receded, but Lunar casters were still able to use magic normally (under the phases) with no penalty.

It's not wrong, it's that academic writing is a weird and rarified format. It's not like it's not the same in every other language on the planet. Source: I have learned languages like Irish, French, Korean, and Mandarin. As an ESL teacher surely you know that Newspaper English is some of the most difficult language to teach students. It's no different in other languages either! I took four years of Mandarin and I couldn't read a newspaper, not really. So it's not even like it's the only unique code-switch we do. Again: not wrong, just not appropriate by order of some weird rules set up that nobody really understands why or how or when exactly or how or when it changes.

I've always assumed that with the existence of the White Ladies, Eiritha, shamans, and all the other various incarnations of magic, we should assume that women are having children who survive childhood at a rate more comparable to the modern era as well as parents having easy access to contraceptive magic. You're more likely to have four than a dozen, and having them won't ruin your body utterly like in the Middle Ages because basically you have the in-world equivalent of science. Your children may very well die in combat at 16 or 18 with Lunars or broos, but half of them won't die before the age of 15 of polio, whooping cough, measles, or a cut they got on their finger that got infected. The Horned One taught your sister how to strangle Mallia's brood in dreamtime when they attack a settlement. Oh, also mothers. Mothers are also surviving childbirth. Important addendum.

I'm gonna have dreams tonight where the Danmalastani were durulz, aren't I. Aren't I? Arkat was a duck. There, I f'in said it. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

Can I just say it's hilarious that emojis work on the board but we got no R U N E S I want my RUNES

I never really thought about it! Thank both of you. And to think I was once superlative at maths! (No, really - SAT 780 Math back in the old days; not sure how they grade them now..) This is because I think/play in Glorantha it magically works like Earth does with a horizon - mostly because our brains struggle otherwise and it's tiring in a not particularly interesting way. Similarly, I never worry about details like "Kero Fin touches the Sky" because it's Magic... if there's an issue like you're on the 🌚and look up, you're STILL gonna see Kero Fin reaching into the Sky. If you're climbing it somehow, there's fog and then you're in the Sky World.

... so only men can shamanise now? what the hell, i reject, they were always similar but parallel paths. why go back to RQ3 when RQ2 is better here? seriously, there were more Eirithan shamans than Wahan, what the helllll

... not in a FLAT WORLD. in a FLAT WORLD that hill would have to be ten kilometers high. the world is flat, do you think the Lunar Empire is like five kilometers higher than Esrolia? No. Kerofinela is somewhat of an uphill climb, but then you descend back again to the plains of the North. my point is that Kero Fin is ten kilometers high and clearly, the Moon is not. From that illustration alone, we can see it's more like... two? Three? Which makes sense, because you can just walk to it without using magic. You just walk up some stairs. It's not magical stairs, it's just regular stairs.

you're misunderstanding the illustration because our brains are used to a world that isn't flat, look again at Kero Fin and the moon and remember the world is flat most of the air on earth is within 10km of the surface!

David Scott posted this about a year ago... google "Praxian Tradition" for the whole thread, it's enlightening. It shows who can participate/assist in other shaman traditions and the three "ages" of Praxian religion. Jakaleel has like three or four shamanic traditions (Blue Moon Darkness, etc.) but I think only one is really used outside specialists, which is the bog-standard one you describe. He was clear about the Twin Stars (Lunar Deer) being Lunar and ALWAYS being Lunar. Before being converted, they had just the regular Moon rune - the Moon rune isn't limited to the Lunar Empire, it's been around since runes existed. Now that they are initiates, they are officially Full Half Moon (Verithurusa, Teelo Norri, Etyries; Fire & Motion runes). The Loonies are absolutely about super extreme attempts to force Illumination like starvation and self-torture, massive hallucinogen overdoses, hideously offkilter heroquests, and other frankly not very wise techniques that generally lead to actual madness instead. The last two are considered native Praxian and can work with willing non-Lunar shamans.

it's not actually that high in the Middle Air, though... you're technically right that it's in the Middle Air (which is the best kind of right) but I'm pretty sure it's a lot lower than Kero Fin's peak

The magical advantage to the empire is crucial, which enables the further spread of the Lunar Way, and the more Illuminates the better the chance for new Moon divinities to shore up the partisans of Sedenya. Despite her winning "victory" as a god, her role in the cosmos is still small and Sheng Seleris, who was just a Hero, was able to kick the pants out of the Moon and murder many Egi, which caused the Red Emperor reincarnation crisis (IMHO the reason for the eventual collapse of the Empire) I'm not even sure if you can see the Red Moon outside Genertela? Bolded in case there's a Chronomancer around who can clarify. Like, can Jrusteli see the Red Moon? I'm not sure. Now I'm wondering what would happen if, in theory, you managed to build a Glowline temple on Jrustela. The problem is when you are ignoring consensus enough to cause strife, like in HQG when Samastina the Enlightened starts to suggest to the War Council of Nochet that they ally with Gagix Two-Barb the Baqoqi, Queen of Jab, and her scorpionmen, to fight off the Lunar siege of 1623!

I don't know about the numbers or not, but the Lunar Way is literally an engine for Illuminating people.

@David Scott might know if there's Illumination in 🌚🌝 Lunar shaman traditions, which are definitely all over Prax. There's three separate Lunar traditions in Prax alone: Jakaleeli, Lunar Deer and the Loonies. Snakepipe Dancers are Argrathi draconic shamans.

not to be that person but read another book /s obviously is good idea! better than mine!

HA! Good question. Well... YGWV. I'd say the trapped king would be a Problem. He can't be in two places at once, he's a person even if he's dead. Maybe he's supposed to be in the Underworld, but what you saw in a heroquest - presumably you saw them there and not like while actually dead - was what the myth says. Now it's time to free the cairn-bound soul. Or vice-versa: he helped you escape when you crawled through the hells and out of a cave in Prax, and upon reuniting with your friends you realised the cairn-bound story was just a myth. Do you change it? The Big Rock is not so much a big problem. Myths are myths. You could clarify the truth by heroquesting to find it if it was a concern. In the end, maybe you learn one was true or maybe you learn both are: the giant was corrupted by Chaos and the the tooth came out with his finger during a fight, leading to some confusion. Or maybe both are wrong.

I'm still hoping for a FATE of Glorantha! that finds a way to incorporate runes.