Peaceful Air Gods

[Ladygolem]

On 1/29/2022 at 9:20 AM, Jose said:

Because she said that he hears whispers in the wind sometimes, he whispers poems to the breeze or play his flute to it. As I said she wants him a little freak. 

Sounds like a Kolating shaman to me.

[JRE]

In my opinion it depends if he wants his role to work as an insider in the Orlanthi culture, or as an outsider. 

Working from inside, some peacemakers will be Orlanth Thunderous, but most will be Issaries, as they fill the role of diplomats, herals and public relations, besides traders. For a tribe level diplomat, dual initiation should be typical, both Issaries and Orlanth. 

Only an exceptional outsider could work as a peacemaker, but you could try to follow Sartar footsteps and follow Larnste or other obscure deity, including those mentioned above.

If he is just peaceful, but does not aspire to make others peaceful, Barntar, Voriof or even a reversed gender role Ernaldan could work, though that might have some problem with the voices in the wind. If I were a tribal elder, that would be a sign to apprenticeshipe them to a kolati or some other personal connection with storm, rather than a cult approach.

Heler would be a great option for a "lover, not a fighter" character. 

[Jeff]

10 hours ago, Alex said:

Fair enough, though I'd probably have given a fairly similar answer (rightly or wrongly!) about Odayla, who seems to do a  degree of double-duty as an Orlanth sub-cult on the one paw, and as a separate cult on the other.

Orlanth is often associated with bears and is sometimes visually described as such. Odayla is clearly a stand-in for Orlanth in many stories and even hangs out with Yinkin.

[Scorus]

51 minutes ago, Jeff said:

Orlanth is often associated with bears and is sometimes visually described as such. Odayla is clearly a stand-in for Orlanth in many stories and even hangs out with Yinkin.

At times the Orlanth/Sartar pantheon sounds almost monotheistic.

[Jeff]

Just now, Scorus said:

At times the Orlanth/Sartar pantheon sounds almost monotheistic.

Not particularly. Orlanth and Ernalda are the key pair and always viewed as separate entities. Below that, there are plenty of deities whose worship can be incorporated into the worship of Orlanth and Ernalda and only really get distinct identities when there are enough specialised worshipers. 

Odayla has the greatest individual identity in Sylila where he has some 10,000 worshipers. He's only got a handful in Sartar.

Yinkin has more worshipers among the Tarsh Exiles than in all of Sartar, but that is close by and there are several important lineages that claim descent from Yinkin.

[davecake]

On 1/30/2022 at 6:05 AM, Orlanthatemyhamster said:

is that like being the best living Sci Fi writer in Australia?

What’s Greg Egan got to do with this? 

[kr0p0s]

1 hour ago, Jeff said:

Odayla has the greatest individual identity in Sylila where he has some 10,000 worshipers. He's only got a handful in Sartar.

Why is Odayla so underrepresented in Sartar? Too wild for the settled Orlanthi? Who do Sartarite hunters look toward? Yinkin?

[Jeff]

14 minutes ago, kr0p0s said:

Why is Odayla so underrepresented in Sartar? Too wild for the settled Orlanthi? Who do Sartarite hunters look toward? Yinkin?

Largely because there are not that many people in Sartar who support themselves through full time hunting - farming, herding, crafting, and trade involve far more people. Orlanth Adventurous bands hunt, but that is not their primary function. So you get some specialists in ever tribe, but they have to meet in inter-tribal events to really get the magic going. So we have Great Hunts that gather at Wild Mountain, attracting folk from all around Dragon Pass.

[kr0p0s]

2 hours ago, Jeff said:

Largely because there are not that many people in Sartar who support themselves through full time hunting

So am I right in thinking that within Sartar there are no temples above site or shrine available for followers of Odayla and Yinkin, except perhaps at Wild Mountain?

[Jeff]

3 minutes ago, kr0p0s said:

So am I right in thinking that within Sartar there are no temples above site or shrine available for followers of Odayla and Yinkin, except perhaps at Wild Mountain?

There's a shrine to Odayla at Grizzly Peak, and minor temples to Yinkin at Wild Mountain, Wintertop Fort, and Yinkin Hill. The truth is that in Dragon Pass, you are much more likely to find Odayla's shrines inside a larger Orlanth temple than independently. 

[Shiningbrow]

15 hours ago, JRE said:

or even a reversed gender role Ernaldan

IIRC, @Jeff has said that you don't need the reverse gender-role at Initiate level of Ernalda, but only for Rune level. Which naked sense for a place like Nochet, and a goddess of all life and fertility. (With Harmony)

[JRE]

3 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

IIRC, @Jeff has said that you don't need the reverse gender-role at Initiate level of Ernalda, but only for Rune level. Which naked sense for a place like Nochet, and a goddess of all life and fertility. (With Harmony)

Considering progression, and even fun, if you are a male character wishing to go deeper in the Ernaldan mysteries, either you have already announced a reversal, or you must be thinking about it. Or just to play a peacebringer outside Issaries or Chalana Arroy. In internal conflicts I assume that would make you a non-combatant, which always makes parley easier. 

Among traditional Orlanthi, I would assume male Ernaldan initiates are really Barntar's. You need to be female to go deeper. I do not see Barntar as a Vinga equivalent, an entry point for reverse gender cultists, so that would mean there is a missing link, or that they are very rare, as Vinga probably is among peaceful Orlanthi, if they exist somewhere in Glorantha...

[Ladygolem]

15 hours ago, JRE said:

Among traditional Orlanthi, I would assume male Ernaldan initiates are really Barntar's. You need to be female to go deeper. I do not see Barntar as a Vinga equivalent, an entry point for reverse gender cultists, so that would mean there is a missing link, or that they are very rare, as Vinga probably is among peaceful Orlanthi, if they exist somewhere in Glorantha...

There's Nandan who's the Vinga-equivalent, at least supposedly. Haven't seen him get much mention anywhere outside the "gender and sexuality" topic in the core rulebook (which is a shame, honestly... I suppose Vinga is much more exciting from an "adventurer's" POV, but that's a topic for another time)

[Orlanthatemyhamster]

Just to point out, 'little freak' is usually an insult in English. 

[Shiningbrow]

1 hour ago, Orlanthatemyhamster said:

Just to point out, 'little freak' is usually an insult in English. 

Maybe. Sometimes. Depends.

Some people are quite ok with it, and are ok with referring to themselves with it. Hence the Canadian TV show "Freaks and Geeks".

[JRE]

9 hours ago, Ladygolem said:

There's Nandan who's the Vinga-equivalent, at least supposedly. Haven't seen him get much mention anywhere outside the "gender and sexuality" topic in the core rulebook (which is a shame, honestly... I suppose Vinga is much more exciting from an "adventurer's" POV, but that's a topic for another time)

I agree, and it shows how little action poor Nandan gets that I had forgotten him. I assume that as Vingans still are gendered in the literature as she/her, Nandans are he/him.

I realized the answer to my question "What Orlanthi culture in Glorantha is peaceful?" is Ernaldans. And I assume Nandans will be more frequent among them.

[Orlanthatemyhamster]

On 2/3/2022 at 3:59 AM, Shiningbrow said:

Maybe. Sometimes. Depends.

Some people are quite ok with it, and are ok with referring to themselves with it. Hence the Canadian TV show "Freaks and Geeks".

That's Canada... 

 

And I said 'usually'. 

 

Try walking up to a random person on the street and say, 

"hey you little freak, tell me the time." 

And see where it gets you. 

Edited February 4, 2022 by Orlanthatemyhamster

[Shiningbrow]

8 hours ago, Orlanthatemyhamster said:

That's Canada... 

 

And I said 'usually'. 

 

Try walking up to a random person on the street and say, 

"hey you little freak, tell me the time." 

And see where it gets you. 

You should go to Australia then.... 😛