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It was originally in Wyrms Footnotes, but I can't remember which edition.

No. God Learners were a Malkioni religious movement that strove to examine every Malkioni belief and compare it to the Abiding Book, striking away beliefs that did not conform with the Abiding Book. They moved on to comparing the gods and goddesses, again striking away those found wanting. The God Learners passed with the ending of the Middle Sea Empire. Yes. Although they use new techniques, the Lunars have inherited some techniques from the God Learners and have reawakened more. They amend myths and blend in the Red Goddess into other myths, making it appear that She has always been there, or is an incarnation of some belief. In the same way, the Red Emperor has proven to be, or wield, ancient powers, through HeroQuesting. He is the Dara Happan Emperor, the Paradisaical Aviator (??? Can't remember the exact term) and others. In my Glorantha, the Red Goddess is the Third Side of the Law Rune, with Malkion forming the base, Hrestol forming the right hand side and supporting the Red Goddess who forms the Left Hand Side. She is the Third Prophet of the Invisible God and has blended Malkioni Sorcery in with Lunar ideals. (OK, now the Red Goddess doesn't allow worshippers to manipulate Spirit Magic, but the statement still holds in my Glorantha). Her followers are very active HeroQuestors. She was an active HeroQuestor who wove herself into the fabric of Time and God Time, far more successfully than the God Learners ever did.

RQ2 Defense was a very abstract thing, involving moving about and being hard to hit. RQ3 Dodge removed the abstraction and made it a concrete thing. Personally, I liked RQ2 Defense and lamented its passing. It makes duels between masters interesting and also causes master swordsmen to cut through lesser fighters very easily, which reflects my personal taste. However, people who like very gritty combat might not find it to their liking. Just using Dodge = Defense x 2 should work, although that gives Soltak Stormspear a Dodge of 200%!

That's what Lefters are for - A Lance on each side, one held RH and one LH, aiiming at the same target. Simples.

Tens, maybe dozens - Lots. Honestly, I don't have sales figures for Magic World. It isn't really my cup of tea, really, no hit locations, variable armour and so on, but I get the feeling that as many people like it as, say, OpenQuest. Again, I have no sales figures for OpenQuest, so cannot justify anything I have said.

Many thanks for the link. I have saved it off and will resize and add as a background layer for my Big Rubble Map, so that I can add features from it later.

Yes, there were a lot of different statements from Greg, hence the term "Gregged". I am sure that we can all pick and choose from statements made over 40 years to support various arguments. Unfortunately, as he is sadly no longer with us, we cannot ask him what he meant. I am sure that those who worked closely with him have a deeper understanding of what he meant, but we are not always in that position. So, everyone, would it be possible not to use the "Greg said this" argument to support a case? Agreed, that could be said for absolutely everyone, as our ideas about Glorantha have evolved over the years. Shutting up now ...

And if Rick says it's canon, then it's canon, unless Jeff or David argue the point in some Chaosium Civil War.

I would love to see some of those in print. Maybe having the standard cult writeup in Gods of Glorantha, or one of the followups, then have local variations in Region supplements. So, have a writeup of Dara Happan Yelm in a Dara Happan supplement, to be compared with the current Pentian-style Yelm.

It's a shame, because it is a Catch-22 situation. Magic World isn't supported because there clearly isn't a demand, as nobody applies for a Licence. People don't apply for a licence because there are upfront costs and the returns probably wouldn't be great. It may well be that posting in forums and on fan websites is the way forward for Magic World.

Is that all? 🙂

Usual suspects on both sides of the argument.

Was he now? Interesting. I always saw him as one of the Back to Basics Yelm worshippers, who became Emperor to bring back those core Yelm values that had been lost/suppressed. I also saw him as accepting the Red Emperor as his heir due to recognising the power and rightfulness of the Red Goddess. Having him as a Lunar HeroQuestor is something I had never considered. I had thought that the Red Emperor had HeroQuested to be accepted by Yelmgatha as his heir, but not that Yelmgatha himself took the Ten Tests so that he could legitimise the Red Emperor as his heir. Hmmm ...

Great stuff, thanks.

Ah, many thanks. I don't have that as a separate image and was working from previous maps of the Big Rubble. I'll have to check my PDF of HQ Pavis:GTA, extract the map and see what goodies it has that I haven't yet captured.

I would guess that this will come in later supplements. RQG is at that stage where a lot has been crammed in, but a lot has been missed out, to avoid an 800 page rulebook. Hopefully, Heroforming will be covered later and put on an official footing. It is already there in previous canon, so just needs to be made official again.

Before King of Sartar they were treated as different gods, King of Sartar definitely said they were the same god and i can remember some backtracking on the whole concept. It is not an academic debate, but a discussion over opinions and remembering previous conversations over 30-odd years. Having to justify every comment with footnotes and references is just plain mad.

It makes sense for Rhino Riders as well, imagine a Rhino Charge with 2 lances per Rhino!

As far as suggestions go, that is definitely not heretical. That makes a lot of sense. Traditionally, dismemberment is used to stop a Deity from reforming, or to stop reforming easily. Before Death came along, it could have been used to reduce a deity's power or to slow down a return. With the advent of Death, however, such a dismemberment means the deity cannot come back at all, which may not have been Orlanth's intention. Putting Yelm back together via a series of HeroQuests is another useful idea that comes out of this. It was very clear, thanks. Wow! Things can get a bit deep and heavy in Gloranthan discussions, but it sounds as though you already understand a lot. Welcome aboard!

From my point of view, the Cult of Yelm emerged as a result of the cultural clash between three sun-worshipping cultures in the 1st Age: DH, Horse Nomads, Heortling, not the deity Yelm. There's a big difference.

From a gaming point of view, of course Glorantha has been constructed with the real World and God Plane separate, as you have mentioned. However, from a Gloranthan point of view, the God Plane came first and the Real World is what is left over after Time began. And would go against everything that has been developed for Glorantha.

And this is the problem. Lots of people, apparently, want MW material but nobody is prepared to apply for a Licence.

Clay Mostali reproduce rather than being manufactured. Elder Secrets describes how they grind away with mortar and pestle before producing offspring. I am not a fan of "All Mostali are contructs", that is fine for True Mostali, but not for Clay Mostali.

And then he wasn't and then he was.

Lightfore is probably a part of Yelm, just not the Sun Disc. To be honest, I've never really cared much for Lightfore and don't know anything like enough about him to comment. Personally, I'd just ignore him until I need him.