Nevermet Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Does Bijiif, the portion of Yelm smeared with ash that sat and waited in the underworld, have an association with the fire rune? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermet Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 Also, I just started 2 threads, and I want to make something clear: Currently, IMG, Bijiif is not Ganestoro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 No more than BernEel Arashagern would (another part of Yelm whom IMO does not have the Fire Rune). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Nevermet said: Does Bijiif, the portion of Yelm smeared with ash that sat and waited in the underworld, have an association with the fire rune? Well, when Yelm descended into Hell, his fires scorched away legions of UzUz and Dehori, so he certainly had the Fire Rune then. Did that act of scorching use up all his Fire so that he was left cold and dead? Maybe. The idea of Bijiif as being the cold ashes left in the grate of a fire is an interesting one. Maybe the Spark Within died and is rekindled by the Lightbringers when they bring Yelm back. Maybe Yelm without the Fire Rune is Bijiif and Bijiif with the Fire Rune is Yelm. 3 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qizilbashwoman Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 22 hours ago, soltakss said: Well, when Yelm descended into Hell, his fires scorched away legions of UzUz and Dehori, so he certainly had the Fire Rune then. Did that act of scorching use up all his Fire so that he was left cold and dead? Maybe. The idea of Bijiif as being the cold ashes left in the grate of a fire is an interesting one. Maybe the Spark Within died and is rekindled by the Lightbringers when they bring Yelm back. Maybe Yelm without the Fire Rune is Bijiif and Bijiif with the Fire Rune is Yelm. the real question is: what are Bijiif's runes? does he have the Death and Darkness runes? He's a dead corpse that's been burnt. He's illustrated using precolumbian art of a death god that is a bundled skeleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Fire and Death. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Just now, Jeff said: Fire and Death. Yelm has Fire Death and Life. Bijif is Death, the Young God Life. But they don't really have separate cults. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) When Greg was developing stuff he often drew the runes out of what he was working on. By runes, I don't mean the Thirty Core Runes, I mean the ones that connected with the mythology he was working on (i'd call them god runes). Many these went on to become Hero Wars era runes, or were never seen in publication. He often drew the rune as the head a stick figure you can see this the early Gods Wall drawings in GroY (IV-24). Although Bijiif is a pile of dust with a single glowing speck, I would imagine that this single speck is actually his rune on the Gods Wall (which is huge) and can't be seen in the Guide or GroY. This God Rune would be a Combination Rune, like the Communication (Issaries) rune is a combination of Mobility and Harmony. God runes are only used in iconography or specialist applications. Edited May 1, 2020 by David Scott 2 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius West Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) On 4/30/2020 at 8:11 AM, Nevermet said: Does Bijiif, the portion of Yelm smeared with ash that sat and waited in the underworld, have an association with the fire rune? Yelm gets the full fire rune. Now remove the light rune from the fire rune. Bijiif gets that central dot, which is what is left when there is neither light nor fire left, i.e. ash. Edited May 1, 2020 by Darius West 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermet Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 8 hours ago, David Scott said: When Greg was developing stuff he often drew the runes out of what he was working on. By runes, I don't mean the Thirty Core Runes, I mean the ones that connected with the mythology he was working on (i'd call them god runes). Many these went on to become Hero Wars era runes, or were never seen in publication. He often drew the rune as the head a stick figure you can see this the early Gods Wall drawings in GroY (IV-24). Although Bijiif is a pile of dust with a single glowing speck, I would imagine that this single speck is actually his rune on the Gods Wall (which is huge) and can't be seen in the Guide or GroY. This God Rune would be a Combination Rune, like the Communication (Issaries) rune is a combination of Mobility and Harmony. God runes are only used in iconography or specialist applications. I really love the God Runes, btw 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermet Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 As an aside, I really enjoy this forum as a pretty open space to discuss a gloriously immense gaming setting. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revilo Divad Of Dyoll Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Darius West said: Yelm gets the full fire rune. Now remove the light rune from the fire rune. Bijiif gets that central dot, which is what is left when there is neither light nor fire left, i.e. ash. Clever. What does that imply for the figure on the God's Wall that is just a dot over a set of lines? Thanks, David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 16 hours ago, Darius West said: Yelm gets the full fire rune. Now remove the light rune from the fire rune. Bijiif gets that central dot, which is what is left when there is neither light nor fire left, i.e. ash. Didn't Zorak Zoran steal the dot from Yelmalio's fire rune? Zorak Zoran has fire magics, they're just more difficult to access than fire magics granted by fire gods. This implies Bijiif also potentially grants limited fire magics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Bijiif having the Fire Rune means that he is the smouldering ember, the ash that can suddenly burst back to life. 1 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius West Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) On 5/2/2020 at 2:53 PM, EricW said: Didn't Zorak Zoran steal the dot from Yelmalio's fire rune? Zorak Zoran has fire magics, they're just more difficult to access than fire magics granted by fire gods. This implies Bijiif also potentially grants limited fire magics. Yeah, ZZ stole fire powers from Yelmalio though, not Yelm. Bijiif is the ashes of dead Yelm, not dead Yelmalio. Everyone knows Yelmalio never died, he just joined Chaos and became either Krjalk or Tien/Thanatar (jk). Edited May 8, 2020 by Darius West 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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