Conrad Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I don't wear glasses, having excellent eyesight, but I've noticed that in the tables in Classic Fantasy the font is so tiny that it strains my eyes looking at it for too long. In future CT publications could you please make the font size in the tables the same size as in the main text. I've run out of magnification spells recently....😁 1 Quote http://www.basicrps.com/core/BRP_quick_start.pdf A sense of humour and an imagination go a long way in roleplaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 I read a review of Classic Fantasy that also points out how the tables have eyestrainingly small text on them, so obviously this needs looking at (pun intended). Quote http://www.basicrps.com/core/BRP_quick_start.pdf A sense of humour and an imagination go a long way in roleplaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raleel Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 i always felt it was the coloration of the tables that made it a little hard to read. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornPlutonius Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 19 hours ago, Raleel said: i always felt it was the coloration of the tables that made it a little hard to read. Agreed. They have funky shading that makes some of the text more difficult to read than is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Absentia Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Black on medium grey causes problems in reproduction and legibility? Say it isn't so. All joking aside, yeah, when we prepare tables and text for work, grey shading is no more than 15% and no less than 10% darker than the surrounding field. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. !i! Quote ...developer of White Rabbit Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 The problem is primarily the tiny size of the letters. Be nice if the size was increased on these tables. I don't have the power of microscopic vision until the Mythras superhero setting is published. 😉😁 Quote http://www.basicrps.com/core/BRP_quick_start.pdf A sense of humour and an imagination go a long way in roleplaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baragei Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Allegedly the greyscale in CF was erroneous. A foregivable mistake. If they still haven't fixed it, less so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Had no idea of what was being referred to so I decided to finally crack the (metaphorical) spine on my PDF... Yowsers! This is grim! Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence.whitaker Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Baragei said: Allegedly the greyscale in CF was erroneous. A foregivable mistake. If they still haven't fixed it, less so. Given the number of tables in Classic Fantasy, it's a big piece of work. It will be tackled and isn't forgotten. 1 Quote The Design Mechanism: Publishers of Mythras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence.whitaker Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bill the barbarian said: Had no idea of what was being referred to so I decided to finally crack the (metaphorical) spine on my PDF... Yowsers! This is grim! Not sure what your screen settings are, or which PDF reader you're using, but here's the same table from our production PDF, clipped from PDF Expert, and at 100% view. The black on gradient text where the gradient is heaviest is what's affected the most, but we haven't seen the blurriness from your screen shot, Bill. What PDF reader are you using? 1 Quote The Design Mechanism: Publishers of Mythras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) Yeah, your screen capture is much better... My Screen capture is from a late ’13 quad core iMac using Intel Iris Pro with 1536 MB for graphics with a resolution of 1929 x 1080... The reader is Preview (macOS Mohave, almost up to date). And I would much prefer seeing what you are seeing rather than what I am seeing. Thanks for your attention! Edited June 23, 2021 by Bill the barbarian Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I assumed you were on to something, so I decided to check it out using Adobe Acrobat. While I do not like Adobe anymore there is a considerable difference, no? Above Acrobat, below Preview... 30 minutes ago, Bill the barbarian said: Had no idea of what was being referred to so I decided to finally crack the (metaphorical) spine on my PDF... Yowsers! This is grim! Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raleel Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 mac, Catalina 10.15.7, Preview, default view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence.whitaker Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Bill the barbarian said: I assumed you were on to something, so I decided to check it out using Adobe Acrobat. While I do not like Adobe anymore there is a considerable difference, no? Above Acrobat, below Preview... It's odd that your Preview should give such a fuzzy result. Mine (BigSur on my M1 Mac Mini, and High Sierra on my mid 2010 Macbook Pro) both give pretty clear renders, similar to Raleel's. Quote The Design Mechanism: Publishers of Mythras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) The MI chip will enable you to have far superior graphics with the way it integrates various processes with in itself (GPU and CPU all on the same chip, I believe), the Catalina powered Mac of Raleel's might be closer to my world (what kind of chip and year?) but yeah, my first reaction was HOLY S#!T! ETA just saw that you had good results with an older computer (and a laptop to boot) and an older OS... strange. Well look at my post above and there you have the proof. Any ideas? Edited June 23, 2021 by Bill the barbarian Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence.whitaker Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 56 minutes ago, Bill the barbarian said: The MI chip will enable you to have far superior graphics with the way it integrates various processes with in itself (GPU and CPU all on the same chip, I believe), the Catalina powered Mac of Raleel's might be closer to my world (what kind of chip and year?) but yeah, my first reaction was HOLY S#!T! ETA just saw that you had good results with an older computer (and a laptop to boot) and an older OS... strange. Well look at my post above and there you have the proof. Any ideas? I really don't have any ideas. Way above my expertise where the tech is concerned. I have seen differences in quality between PDF engines though. I've tried Foxit, Wondershare, Acrobat, GoodReads and a couple of others and they've all had varying results. 1 Quote The Design Mechanism: Publishers of Mythras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigm Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I have the print version of Classic Fantasy on my shelf, so I just opened to a table. Imagine the left-side of the table with barely any differentiating contrast until it gets about 1/8 of the way across the table(moving from left to right). Honestly the gradient on the table is a bit distracting, and with the differences between paper and screen it makes things more difficult than it need be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) On 6/23/2021 at 1:03 PM, lawrence.whitaker said: I really don't have any ideas. Way above my expertise where the tech is concerned. I have seen differences in quality between PDF engines though. I've tried Foxit, Wondershare, Acrobat, GoodReads and a couple of others and they've all had varying results. Doing some research now, might be time to change to a new PDF reader... did you see my messages about Preview and quality elsewhere in these varied fora? I was in touch with Simeon of Chaosium layout about it. Apple told him it can not recommend its free reader for some of the heavy lifting RPGs demand of them. Edited June 25, 2021 by Bill the barbarian Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDLeary Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Bill the barbarian said: Doing some research now, might be time to change to a new PDF reader... did you see my messages about Preview and quality elsewhere in these varied fora? I was in touch with Simeon of Chaosium layout about it. Apple told him it can not recommend its free reader for some of the heavy lifting RPGs demand of them. Interesting, I haven't encountered, nor have I had any issues using Preview for Chaosium PDFs, save in the really old days when it simply would not accommodate really large files. I have also had few issues with TDM files; again mainly in older files. The one that comes to mind was one of the older edits of RQ6. Opening and looking at my PDF of Classic Fantasy right now in Preview (TDM500 Classic Fantasy Interactive May 2016), its nice, crispy and contrasty. Even in the dark rows of tables, the text is crisp and readable; though perhaps a lighter overall grey without the fade would have been better for readability. Looking at the same file in Acrobat Pro DC, the biggest difference is in the body font. Its finer, finer sweeps, ascenders, and descenders based on the typeface ( @lawrence.whitaker, is this still Warnock... looks too fine in Adobe). This, while readable, makes tables on the far left more difficult as the finer lines don't provide as much contrast. I'm really perplexed Bill... no clue why your experiencing the fuzzies! 🤷♂️ You might try PDF Expert. I've had good luck with it in the past, though I don't use it now. SDLeary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SDLeary said: I'm really perplexed Bill... no clue why your experiencing the fuzzies! 🤷♂️ Old age? What do you use now? Edited June 26, 2021 by Bill the barbarian Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 Grey isn't the problem. The letter SIZ is. Hope that it gets sorted in newer editions and supplements of CF. 😁 Quote http://www.basicrps.com/core/BRP_quick_start.pdf A sense of humour and an imagination go a long way in roleplaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Looks Ok on Microsoft Edge Version 91.0.864.59 (Official build) (64-bit) under Windows 10. Maybe a bit blurry at 100% due to the stick-thin letters. Absolutely fine when zoomed in to 200% to fit to the width of my wide-screen monitor. @Bill the barbarianMaybe you should move to a Windows 10 PC/Laptop! 😮 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDLeary Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Bill the barbarian said: Old age? What do you use now? Preview as default, unless fiddling with the PDF structure or commenting, then I use Acrobat. SDLeary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilharzia Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 The CF expert set has changed the table format into a slight light tone which is more readable. I imagine the new CF self-contained book will take a similar approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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