Godlearner Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 21 hours ago, MOB said: That's the point. Praise Yelmalio, you don't actually need a live horse to learn and practice your Kuschile Archery skill. No thanks, I would rather spend time researching the names of Seseine's first 100 lovers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 21 hours ago, MOB said: You don't actually need a horse to improve your Kuschile Archery Skill. This seems like Peak Yelmalio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radmonger Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 On 8/29/2023 at 12:55 AM, MOB said: Praise Yelmalio, you don't actually need a live horse to learn and practice your Kuschile Archery skill. Note that a standard Orlanthi clan gets by with less than 20 mounted warriors. And those thanes are mostly used as scouts, diplomats and champions more than as a military cavalry force. Having more than that means that the resources required to maintain the extra are coming out of some clan member's mouth. in real-world medieval Europe, some estimates are that it took 300 peasants to support a single armoured and mounted knight. The Yelmic horselords of the grazelands rule an at best semi-free population of Vendrefi. The Praxian beast rider treat the oasis people as non-mobile slaves. We don't know much about how the Yelmic Pentan horselords treated the Pelorians, but they counted the creation of Yara Aranis as an appropriate response. Monrogh's introduction of Kuschile Archery from Prax to Sartar was required to break that mythic and ecological pattern. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godlearner Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 On 8/28/2023 at 7:55 PM, MOB said: Because there's not enough horses to go round. Then you do not need this skill since you will never be on one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwall Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Godlearner said: Then you do not need this skill since you will never be on one. When called up for service in the militia the king/priest/cult could than let you borrow one of there's. I see why some people don't see a point to kuschile archery in an army but it's offers similar effects as a true horse archer ( without needing the same level of horse infrastructure to train a warrior (or militia man) it definitely isn't as good as a proper horse archer but it's better than no horse archery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godlearner Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Ironwall said: When called up for service in the militia the king/priest/cult could than let you borrow one of there's LOL, not likely/ But even if so it still make the skill totally useless to any player character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, Godlearner said: LOL, not likely/ But even if so it still make the skill totally useless to any player character. Which is what both sides in this debate have already agreed (but only one side is apparently aware of this). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godlearner Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, metcalph said: Which is what both sides in this debate have already agreed (but only one side is apparently aware of this). Would rather have it fixed than an agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Godlearner said: Would rather have it fixed than an agreement. I don't see it as needing to be fixed as it is a skill peculiar to the Yelmalio cult(s) whereas other mounted archers (Impala, Sable, Pentans, Wasp Riders etc) do not even use the skill at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOB Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Godlearner said: Then you do not need this skill since you will never be on one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecake Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 8/29/2023 at 7:55 AM, MOB said: Praise Yelmalio, you don't actually need a live horse to learn and practice your Kuschile Archery skill. You do need a live horse to actually use it. And when you do have one of those rare and valuable horses, you are probably going to want to give it to one of the people that actually knows how to ride it. Yes, for humour purposes, it being yet another thing the Yelmalio cult does that makes no damn sense but is just misguided tradition - but that jokes rather overused by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radmonger Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, davecake said: You do need a live horse to actually use it. And when you do have one of those rare and valuable horses, you are probably going to want to give it to one of the people that actually knows how to ride it. it's not necessarily a horse; it could be a griffon, llama or rhino. Especially in the Praxian context, the beasts your nomad allies supply you with are probably going to be the ones they don't know how to ride. The problem here is the rules making them both skills, each no easier or harder to train than any other. It's just one part of the general RQ:G skill proliferation issue. Make KHA, peaceful cut, prepare corpse, and the ~5 skills per volume introduced by the cult book _secrets_ that use the value of the applicable _cult lore_ skill., and you have a far less bloated character sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, radmonger said: it's not necessarily a horse; it could be a griffon, llama or rhino. Especially in the Praxian context, the beasts your nomad allies supply you with are probably going to be the ones they don't know how to ride. In CoP, it does say "horseback". And the name is something of a giveaway. Edited September 25, 2023 by Akhôrahil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOB Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, davecake said: You do need a live horse to actually use it. And when you do have one of those rare and valuable horses, you are probably going to want to give it to one of the people that actually knows how to ride it. When the Good Times return and the Sun Dome once again reigns triumphant in glory, everyone gets a pony! During the Solitude of Testing they live for this day... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 4 hours ago, davecake said: You do need a live horse to actually use it. My friend who does horse archery say that the kids practice on saddles on a kind of trolley. He says much of it is about awareness of the horse in relation to the bow - where you can and can't move it. Horse archery is popular around here (London UK that is). 1 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecake Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, David Scott said: My friend who does horse archery say that the kids practice on saddles on a kind of trolley. He says much of it is about awareness of the horse in relation to the bow - where you can and can't move it. Horse archery is popular around here (London UK that is). It may be that you can practice horse archery without a horse, but is it useful thing to be able to do without a horse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 14 hours ago, davecake said: It may be that you can practice horse archery without a horse, but is it useful thing to be able to do without a horse? I've always found age long rituals with forgotten purposes, a great theme after reading Gormenghast. 2 1 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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