Joerg Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 There is also the very Gloranthan possibility to make an existing faked religion real, most easily by "finding out" that the religion has "really been X" all the time, proving that connection, and voila, real magic from the Ultimate and not just some Short World reservoir that was filled with worship. New gods can and do arise from apotheosis of heroic (and/or demigod) individuals, too, and even ordinary mortals can become demigods as a figure of worship. 2 Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 7 hours ago, Shiningbrow said: In the real world, that's basically what most religions (cults) think all the others are. That is a very recent phenomenon, and by no means universal in the present day. Plenty of religious people, my aunt for example, believe that other religions are worshiping devils or evil spirits. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, PhilHibbs said: That is a very recent phenomenon, and by no means universal in the present day. Plenty of religious people, my aunt for example, believe that other religions are worshiping devils or evil spirits. Or that they're actually worshiping your gods under different names, Interpretatio graeca. (Which might even be the truth in Glorantha.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 I believe that there is a short description / reference in Dragon Pass - A Gazeteer of Kerofinela to an entirely fake religion in the 2nd Age. I recall that Greg posted that there were fake religions in Glorantha but have no recollection of where he posted that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Charles said: I believe that there is a short description / reference in Dragon Pass - A Gazeteer of Kerofinela to an entirely fake religion in the 2nd Age. I recall that Greg posted that there were fake religions in Glorantha but have no recollection of where he posted that. I have done a search of DP - aGoK using the words religion, fake, false, and 2nd as well as second and Stafford and have not found your reference, can you give me another hint? Cheers Edited July 10, 2019 by Bill the barbarian 1 Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 It's questionable whether Zistor worship granted you anything, I'm thinking? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g33k Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Charles said: I believe that there is a short description / reference in Dragon Pass - A Gazeteer of Kerofinela to an entirely fake religion in the 2nd Age. I recall that Greg posted that there were fake religions in Glorantha but have no recollection of where he posted that. Is it possible that the 2nd-Age content is MRQ-era? Maybe he gregged something from Mongoose, somewhere online (the old mailing list?) and the revised canon (that such-and-such a 2nd-Age cult was actually a fraud) never saw print? Quote C'es ne pas un .sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Akhôrahil said: It's questionable whether Zistor worship granted you anything, I'm thinking? This is going out into some grognard water I am ill-equipped to talk about, but also wasn't there some kind of fundamental Purification Rune that the Zistorites were attempting to prove existed, but then it didn't after all? And then the Purification Rune might later be attached to the Moon Rune? I've seen it referenced in various discussions online, but never quite ventured deep into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestlepig Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 11 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said: This is going out into some grognard water I am ill-equipped to talk about, but also wasn't there some kind of fundamental Purification Rune that the Zistorites were attempting to prove existed, but then it didn't after all? And then the Purification Rune might later be attached to the Moon Rune? I've seen it referenced in various discussions online, but never quite ventured deep into it. It's mentioned in the Wiki as coming from the book on the Middle Sea Empire and History of the Heortling Peoples, although the latter is from an Orlanthi perspective and doesn't mention what is going on aside from Sorcery, so it's probably in the former. I think the Moon Rune connection is very convincing speculation, although I haven't read the book myself. Obviously you should say it is so you can have a dungeon crawl in a ruined machine city to uncover moonbreaking secrets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 21 hours ago, Bill the barbarian said: I have done a search of DP - aGoK using the words religion, fake, false, and 2nd as well as second and Stafford and have not found your reference, can you give me another hint? Huckster however, it is not as strong as I remembered. My recollection of Greg's postings was that it was in YahooGroups or another forum, not in a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Charles said: My recollection of Greg's postings was that it was in YahooGroups or another forum, not in a book. Well, Charles, on that note, we'll send someone else down that rabbit hole. Cheers Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roko Joko Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) If I may paste two paragraphs from a sidebar on p. 105 of the HeroQuest 1 book: Quote Charlatans and False Belief A world full of magic can also be a world brimming over with charlatans, hucksters, and exploiters claiming magical powers they do not have, espousing false religions, and promulgating useless magical techniques. Many crackpots and deluded souls wrongly believe that deities, spirits, pure forms, or entities of their own fevered imaginations have favored them. Just as there is never a shortage of deceivers, the supply of gullible Gloranthans is also inexhaustible. The many false claims about magic partly explain the extreme conservatism of most Gloranthan homelands; the people who have thrived are those who refused to try alternative magic. Edited July 16, 2019 by Roko Joko Quote What really happened? The only way to discover that is to experience it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 "Extreme religious conservatism" Yeah, about that... *stares at Lightbringer Missionaries, Esrolian Grandmother Earth Revival, Kitori, Empire of Wyrm's Friends' Dragon Cult, Alakoringite Orlanth Rex Cult, Sun Domers, Elmal-Yelmalio Synthesis, and more* That's not too bad a historical dynamism for extreme religious conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHW Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) Ummm... Yelmalio gives you crappier spells than Elmal and is fake by certain definitions. The problem is in Glorantha if enough sucker— I mean, worshippers pump POW into something it does usually manifest some kind of result. SEE: Nysalor There’s an argument to be made that the Seven Mothers are fake too. The Moon Goddess/Gbaji is real and all their power is derived from their connections to it. If the Moon dies, poof, no more Lunar pantheon. Edited July 18, 2019 by RHW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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