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but... is Argrath a reincarnation of Arkat soul, or a "retry" of some deeper mechanism trying to "fix the world". is even soul something able to exist for ever in glorantha or something that will disappear / merge / move outside of glorantha / xxx in what some could call "solace", "unity", "cosmic dragon" or "I don't know what", once the soul is "ready" ? (no I m not a dwarf)

mmm I dislike this option. for me, the"rightness" key word in the next rules means only : "in the path you follow, your rightness score represents where you are on your path, and what level of power you succeed to gain from your path" then for us, irl, considering that a sect (if I can use this word) has wrongness, is just considering that this sect is unable to provide any benefit for its members of course for a sect-A follower, the sect-B followers follow a more or less wrong path because they don't follow sect-A path. So yes Vadeli are probably* seen as having a "wrongness" by the Rokari. But from the Vadeli perspective, they follow their own rightness. If not the Vadeli big guys should be less vadeli and more rokari. * "probably" = because I know so few about vadeli; what they are, how they are seen from others, that I don't want to say "that is the way it is" or even "that should be the way it is"

seems to me perfectly acceptable I see priests using seduction (and sometimes intimidation) than pure hierarchic authority to "lead" their initiates.

I didn't challenge the answer, i mean my question is about the two first columns, i read the table [sexe male, gender vingan] . I thought it was sexe female, gender vingan.

It seems to me to have read it here (or maybe I thought to post something or i dit it… how mad I can be …) here the concepts I have in mind a beast* spirit powerful enough to possess the mundane person is able to « lead the body by period » then the body is able to be transformed (something like nephilim … fr powa) Could be for ever or like a divine spell a Shaman bargaining with a great beast* spirit is able to gain a shaman ability (able to transform one a day/weak etc…) that’s for the binding. This kind of power could not be dominated by a simple 3d6 or even 4d6 POW race in my opinion. The binding would be neutral (bargain) or defeated (possession) of course a more powerful POW (…) person (or community) may be able to defeat a spirit able to do it and to bind it as any spirit. but, from my perspective if you want the power start a spirit cult (to gain access to the rune spell ) or a heroquest (to gain access to the heroic spell) *i say beast for claws effect but could be an elemental (fire breath for example) or anything else

Would say a good job for jakaleel people. Dominate / control / bargain Daga is better than serve him

Hi David , thanks to share it. However there is something I may misundestand (both English and not a lot of discussion about gender irl etc) vingan is a male in a female body I agree but why their « sex » is male ? Isn’t « sex » the body part ? And vingan the « male » gender ? same for nandan ? I would switch the god-dess then but it may be a word definition issue ?

by the way I consider it as canon (is it ?), however I never read that becoming Vingans is "transfer all my ernaldan runepool in orlanth runepool". I always have understood it by "being initiate of Vinga" without any information about the rest (power in the new cult, what happens to the ernalda relationship, etc..) The only thing I have in mind is the possibility for these women to stop their Orlanth relationship - initiate status - once the revenge (or the word you want) is done without any reprisal from Orlanth

p289 core rules (don't know if the cult book will say differently) In my glorantha the restriction is both sex and gender (there is Maran Gor for other options in the gor-list). But if canon people answer differently I will follow them !

well... "other" seems a good definition, if you consider helering is not "both" but "alternate gender"

for me, the point here is what you (the pc) are now yes you still know all the cult lore you learnt before in the Ernaldan temple but if you choosed to not be anymore an Ernaldan initiate, it means you broke the channel/gate/link with Ernalda. It means, even if you still worship her from your new Vinga cult, you are not more than an ernaldan lay member. And a lay member is not able to channel the full power of the Goddess, not to be the Goddess. Yes you are able to call your wife to help you, you Orlanth (==> Orlanth's runepool) Power / runepool / fetch are not knowledge, they are soul and connection with the others worlds and not mundane entities How to not break the channel with the goddess and become Vingan ? stay an Ernaldan initiate, ok you have to spend 10% on your time (and money) in the Earth temple, but, because you spend your time in the Eart temple, you do what is necessary to keep the connection, you see the pictures on the walls, you hear the goddess and her spirits minions, you still are impregnated by her. If I m not wrong, there is no issue of gender here, there is the gender "both", you are Ernalda the woman and you are Orlanth the man (in a vingan body) so that's the point, if you don't want (player) to lose your previous rune pool you have to "lose" 10% of your time and money there is no background issue here: your life (character) may be fully broken, all Ernalda past is over, now you are only Vinga. Or your life (character) may be injured, you stay in the Ernalda path, but something new grows in you, something violent, not like a violent woman(x-gor) but like a violent man and now you follow the Vinga path

oh I understand. Well , I m more like @Joerg. I dislike (my taste) your option and prefer what the rules are. Yes you were Orlanth, you can maintain Orlanth and join LM (2 rune pools, 20%) or you can leave Orlanth and join LM (Orlanth RP is lost, 1 LM rune pool, 10%) and it is fine. You can be a lawspeaker and be only Orlanth initiate. The LM magic/powers is to discover things, not to say what is the law and tradition, that is just lore skills. So yes for me it is fine to have 2 rune pools

I don't understand your "no, if you stay with the clan" I fully agree with your story telling, and all you describe about the knowledge you have because experience / age fit exactly with what I say: now, you are qualified to become LM initiates exactly like the rules are (in fact LM is not a good example, it is so easy to have 50% in 1 lore or RW skill, compared with other cults requirements) . What do you need differently from the rules ? the only point I imagine is the "runepool transfer" : in your example, as a orlanth initiate you sacrificed pow for the only LM spell you can learn by the associated cult and get 1 more point in the Orlanth runepool. You may wish to transfer this point from Orlanth runepool to LM runepool once you are initiate. I don't see anything else. (that is not a "challenge", just I don't see what is the issue with the rules, and I would like to be prepared if I face it on my table ^^ )

from my perspective (or my taste) I would not facilitate transition from one cult to another. Yes of course there are obvious transitions like (voria -> ernalda ->asrelia) but that is not because the "next" god is in the same pantheon that it must be easy. You are Orlanth and want to become LM ? you have to work, learn new secrets, learn/develop the runes. That is not a rune pool transfer. Of course your "first" priest will probably not disagree, maybe grunt, maybe not, but that's all. You change your god, your devotion. the big difference with other pantheons is, for me, priest attitude, and family/bloodline/community attitude too. but,if the cults book doesn't say it is easy to move from A to B, well, it means, you have to sacrifice pow, etc..

yep another question then, is there one runepool for Orlanth thunderous and Orlanth Odayla or because one is an orlanth's mask and the other a god, does that mean two runepools ?

oh I see so to rewrite with my words ( sorry you are breaking all my cult system model ^^ ), there would be, in the Orlanth cult, two types of subcults : those who are "mask" (?) of Orlanth (Rex, Adventurous, Thunder, Vinga) as described in page 301 section Orlanth. They gain the full "special rune magics (all subcults)" and those who are very closed deities (Yinkin, Odayla, Barntar, maybe those "awaken" in the eleven lights, etc..) and are worshipped in the Orlanth temples, but as they are not Orlanth but its kin, they don't gain the full "special rune magics (all subcults)" but only the Orlanth's spell provided by the association. In this way, does that mean a Orlanth Priest consider them in the same way than any Orlanth initiate ? or are they little bit different and the Orlanth priest has less power on a Yinkini / Odaylan than on a Adventurous ?

to be sure I m understanding correctly -there may be some subtility I did not catch- : Does that mean that the Odayla subcult of Orlanth proposes all the spells provided by the Odayla full cult AND the common spells provided by the Orlanth cult (dimiss air elm, increase/decrease wind, etc...) In that case is there any secret the full cult has that the orlanth subcult does'nt ? or is it "just" that the Odayla cult lost its conexion with Orlanth so is "worse" than the Orlanth-Odayla subult? I have in mind that a subcult has less spells than a full cult (because not fully dedicated to the "entity/god", some ) but, in the other hand, gains some benefit/spells from its "parent cult". But I may be totally wrong ?

a very good question

I would suggest to compare the bonus you provide with a bladesharp spell do you consider that passion provides once a day / week bladesharp 2/3/4 during a full scene is enough, too much or too little ? Personally I consider that a true passion would give more than a 6 points spell but only if the situation fits really and directly the passion But that should be seen in a bigger perspective (I give less crystal / matrix / spirits than others I think )

none of them are Argrath, they are "just" characters and yep you see the wheel note the baby is a giant the wheel seels to be human size but I m not sure

Then here I fully agree ! Not because « « casting a sorcery spell » (of course a sorcerer cast sorcery spell, that is the definition ) but because you add the right words « if done for the right reasons » that is what I needed to agree: the sorcery is the tool, the right reasons are the intent so let back to your example a humakti training traitors, murderers, and knowing it, should have a very very good and honorable reason to let me accept the piety of this act 🙂 By the way, even if a lot of sorcerers are not pious as Jeff described, that doesn’t mean you cannot meet a pious / devoted to the invisible god and Malkioni precepts sorcerer. they seems rarer than what I believed but they should be found too 🙂

That why players choose yelmalio as first cult ! No more issue i didn’t imagine such option. but now… mmm some ideas mmmm some very very nice ideas. Uleria, nous voilà !

There are two points I strongly (but nicely 🙂 ) disagree with @JRE 1) allied spirit is not the part of soul provided to theist. By game design allied spirit is a kind of pow extension as fetch is a kind of pow extension for shaman, that’s true. But that is game design, not background design: allied spirit is an ally, not yourself, from my perspective of course 2) sorcery is not proof of piety. Yes piety can be found in any religious/philosophical/(put your word I don’t know in English) movement. But sorcery is a set of technics, a tool. How you use your tool prove if you are pious or not : a humakti uses a sword However are humakti ambushing weak people with their swords pious humakti ? I don’t think so. same for sorcery user of any school. You can be a pious malkioni without casting any sorcery (maybe not if your role is to cast spell of course) you can be a not pious malkioni and cast sorcery. Not only by casting forbidden spells but for example acting against your Talar orders. and as @soltakss said what is piety for some people is heresy for others

Yes my point was the model , not the « values » proposed

Same for me ibdibt consider the bonus important enough But it will depends how the passions are played. If it is just a bonus and not something driving the character (or to be clear, if you don’t lose passion every time you act against your passion) yes it is too much if I had something to change with passion it would be to define a scale between passion score, passion bonus , what you can do against passion / when you can stay passive without any consequence I mean if you have 90+ you must do thing even if it is not smart (like honor accept the duel even if you know your opponent is too powerful) if you have60, you must not do thing even if it is smart (like honor do not ambush even if it is easier) on this way I like how the vampire rpg manage « humanity » 20 years ago I don’t know now