jajagappa Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, Erol of Backford said: the 2nd clip. That's the Skyreach Mountains (specifically Arrowmound) in the 2nd clip, not Kero Fin. (If you check the map in the Guide, p.245, you'll see that the line leading towards the mountain in the Building Wall.) You cut off Kero Fin which is the shadowy mountain at the far right of the original picture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 6 Author Report Share Posted March 6 (edited) On 3/5/2023 at 7:29 PM, jajagappa said: If you check the map in the Guide, p.245, you'll see that the line leading towards the mountain in the Building Wall. I see it and was wondering why one was so needle like but not the other, the scale of these features, the mountains, the 3000' Shadow Plateau, etc, make Glorantha look so different than what we pictured years ago, much more abrupt/severe. Are there any illustrations of the Stormwalk Mountains? Edited March 10 by Erol of Backford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 58 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said: Are there any illustrations of the Stormwalk Mountains? Guide p.441 has Stormwalk from the Prax side. (Tallest mountain, center of the background mountain range) The spiral trail wraps around 7 times from the base (very long on the lowest spirals, very tight at the top). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 7 Author Report Share Posted March 7 Funny, I was looking at that image on line yesterday. I've seen it in the GtG but didn't realize/see that it was Stormwalk in the background. Thanks again Jaja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 13 Author Report Share Posted March 13 Working on Backford colors. I know heardlry isn't a thing in Glorantha per say or so I thought it was stated as such but I am sure there would be banners, standards, flags, etc. of some sort as we've seen standards at least... I take colors partly from Sun County, blue and gold (we like that) and partly from Mr. B's TT 12 non canon article. Not sure what name to put on the coat of arms but will figure something. One of the PC's is the daughter of the lord, count, eorl, earl, city rex etc. and it will likely be that the mother is of the Caprati trader prince family... She is likely a rebel, a Vingan but not sure yet. We have some miniatures painted that were for us the Rabbit Hat militia a little bule and gold with white tunics over, I think, need to dig them out of the boxes. That was after Rabbit Hat was cleaned up in one campaign back in the mid 90's. It will be fun to use them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 16 Author Report Share Posted March 16 As with the recent installation of a barracks complex at Durengard, the PC's are asked to assist with the construction of a new shrine and barracks dedicated to St. Ehilm to also be stationed in Backford for a double file of troops that are . It's decided that the 3 storied tower with gilded dome top with lookout parapet will be adjoined by a two story barrick, dormitory and cafeteria. There is a seperate room for the file and half file leader as well as a suite for an acolyte. Provisions for females in a separate section of the dormitory are being discussed. At the opposite side is a drill hall above a stable and a privy. Cross ventilation is a big concern but as the structure as the town is on a slightly elevated mesa in the Syphon River Valley the winds of St. Worlanth should be enough to keep the stench to a livable level? How much will this structure cost with furnishings? Who will be the labor force that builds it? How will the shrine be activated, what will the ceremony be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squaredeal Sten Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 (edited) On 3/15/2023 at 8:35 PM, Erol of Backford said: As with the recent installation of a barracks complex at Durengard, the PC's are asked to assist with the construction of a new shrine and barracks dedicated to St. Ehilm to also be stationed in Backford for a double file of troops that are . It's decided that the 3 storied tower with gilded dome top with lookout parapet will be adjoined by a two story barrick, dormitory and cafeteria. There is a seperate room for the file and half file leader as well as a suite for an acolyte. Provisions for females in a separate section of the dormitory are being discussed. At the opposite side is a drill hall above a stable and a privy. Cross ventilation is a big concern but as the structure as the town is on a slightly elevated mesa in the Syphon River Valley the winds of St. Worlanth should be enough to keep the stench to a livable level? How much will this structure cost with furnishings? Who will be the labor force that builds it? How will the shrine be activated, what will the ceremony be? The Weapons and Equipment guide doesn't give you a price quote for "2 story barracks with tower and gilded dome" but if you use it for precedents and comparables you can make a logical estimate. I am not sure how many troops are in a 'file" but if it's like ancient and post-medieval pike files it's about 16 folks, maybe less depending on which armies.. So my estimate is 32 for a double file. You, the GM, will know. OK, the barracks: A comparable is "villa", accommodating 15, for 200 Wheels. (page 105). See villa picture p.104, doesn't it look comparable? Another comparable is "large home" accommodating 12, for 40-100 Wheels. Your description as 'barracks" indicates fewer square meters per person than a villa. At least when i was responsible for supervising barracks it was that way. But the shrine, tower, stable and 2nd story drill hall add that area back, so I'd go for the villa. I don't understand the need for the 2nd story drill hall. A drill field will work better for training field troops. And if they really are pikemen or spearmen then you can't drill with a low ceiling. Ask me how I know! I put a bayonet hole in my mother in law's ceiling, going to right shoulder shift arms with a musket. The tower? W&E Page 108, fortification table: Tower, stone:50W. But the dome gilding will be extra. You can assume what you want for the dome, it can be timber and not stone - but the gilding... Page 33 says a package of five sheets of gold leaf has a standard price of 20L and the sheet is 10cm square. So gilding will cost 400L per square meter plus the wages of a craftsman to apply it,. There are no productivity standards but a master (p.52 examples at least show "skilled") with a rare skill might cost 1L a day for a short term hire in my opinion, and I'd arbitrarily decide applying gold leaf will happen at a rate of one square meter a week. That's a total of 407L per square meter. If we arbitrarily say the dome on the watch tower is only 2m in diameter (1 m radius), and the dome is half of a sphere - then its area is 0.5x 4 pi R squared, so 0.5x4x3.1416 x 1 = 6.292 square meters area x 407L = a dome gilding cost of 2561 lunars. Therefore: Barracks 200 Wheels, tower 50 Wheels, gilding 2561L, total 7561L. The work force will be 'local", and Backford will have builders. Furnishings? Similar to the cost of furnishing a large house, The page 110 example is for exotic furniture but this won't be exotic, you want sturdy. Say 20L? i have only a vague idea what the shrine activation ceremony will be. Officially per RQiG p 284 you need at least 75 lay members and initiates worshiping there regularly, and your garrison is not that big. So either you have local co-religionists, or it's a "site'. IMHO you may be looking for a holy relic to beef that up, and hand wave it if you don't like my opinion. I suspect the ceremony is conducted on a holy day by an out of town high priest, perhaps using magic that is not in our combat-oriented lists. You need a sponsor pledged to maintain the shrine but that is the acolyte. There is a long boring set of sermons and speeches and prayers, everyone Worships and sacs 1 or 2 MPs each. Everyone then breaks for a celebratory meal. Open bar. Late reveille the next morning. Edited March 21 by Squaredeal Sten vague ides... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 21 Author Report Share Posted March 21 I love the detail, it's about a 1/4 the estimate (cost) I was thinking but it depends on the loot any GM gives out as to supply and demand. In this Glorantha there are a good number of Elmali's on the Plateau, St. Ehlmal maybe? 50 minutes ago, Squaredeal Sten said: So my estimate is 32 for a double file. Thinking the same. 44 minutes ago, Squaredeal Sten said: And if they really are pikemen or spearmen then you can't drill with a low ceiling. totally agree, not with long spears and pikes, but they also train from horseback in Backford... or will. The 2nd floor is more for rainy day 2nd weapon and training, like a gymnasium of sorts? Was thinking horses on the ground floor... but the smell? The dome acts like a lookout tower as a secondary function possibly. 40 minutes ago, Squaredeal Sten said: IMHO you may be looking for a holy relic to beef that up This is a good add, need to figure what it might be... if the local acolyte ends up in Sun County, after River of Cradles, Sun County, Sandheart, etc for a year and comes back to build the compound then all the better. We had some earlier discussion as to a relation with a known Sartar Sundomer (maybe an aunt of uncle) that is anti undead/chaos then it would fit... Thanks again Mr. Sten! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squaredeal Sten Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 As for the smell, a separate building across a courtyard would be indicated. But I am not sure the smell of the stable / horse dung would be a significant problem for people in a horse using culture. Horse really doesn't smell that much, not as bad as cow or pig. Have you ever been to a stable, either riding or racing? People in Backford probably make less of the smell than you or I would. Consider that there are working and riding animals in the city. People may also keep pigs there. Butchers slaughter, did you ever smell a slaughterhouse? And remember that most Gloranthan temples are places of animal sacrifice (one wonders whether the junior Initiates get the job of cleaning up. IMG an initiate will be honored to run the barbecue after the sacrifice, take your Worship roll.) And people use privies. The cumulative smells of a small Gloranthan city would be like a small pre industrial RW city. I don't know how old YOU are, but: Remember that in the 1920s and 30s horse drawn vehicles were still in common use in European and American cities. So what smells were your grandparents or great grandparents used to in their youth? Anyway, the villa picture indicates that a separate building or wing can fit into the cost estimate. As well as a low wall, garden type wall and not a real fortification. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) 11 hours ago, Squaredeal Sten said: Have you ever been to a stable, either riding or racing? I have and to your point maybe not so bad, separate stable is better, I'll figure that out. 11 hours ago, Squaredeal Sten said: People may also keep pigs there. Like a particular Balazar town, no pigs inside the city walls... 11 hours ago, Squaredeal Sten said: Butchers slaughter, did you ever smell a slaughterhouse? In Cedar Rapids IA they used to burn carcases on Wednesdayds and if the wind was blowing from the south the city gots its 5th stench. 11 hours ago, Squaredeal Sten said: And remember that most Gloranthan temples are places of animal sacrifice (one wonders whether the junior Initiates get the job of cleaning up. IMG an initiate will be honored to run the barbecue after the sacrifice, take your Worship roll.) The Heortlanders IMG bake in animal form, no more animal sacrifices, lamb cakes with fresh buttercream frosting are the favorite in Backford and even sent to Nochet still fresh. In the southern areas of the Lunar Empire, however, they have tried to emulate this baking trend but due to the influence of chaos something inevitably goes wrong... not mad cow disease but nearly just as bad... Edited March 22 by Erol of Backford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squaredeal Sten Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 How do they make buttercream frosting without refined sugar? There is a thread somewhere in these forums that essentially says sugarcane is rare in Glorantha and they just make a brown sweet liquid with it. Will have to search for that. Anyway you need powdered sugar for buttercream icing. Too wet and the icing is runny. That may be your Chaotic influence. [My wife has been making cakes since well before we married, I have helped - mostly provided muscle- with big wedding cakes, I don't have the skill but am familiar with three or four types of icing.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qizilbashwoman Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 15 hours ago, Erol of Backford said: The Heortlanders IMG bake in animal form, no more animal sacrifices what is this, the Aqeda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 This is a tough crowd. I couldn't stop laughing looking at the one lamb cake face. My stomach hurts from laughing so much and I couldn't even get a commnet. 8 hours ago, Squaredeal Sten said: [My wife has been making cakes since well before we married, I have helped - mostly provided muscle- with big wedding cakes, I don't have the skill but am familiar with three or four types of icing.] My recent turned 15 daughter loves chemistry and is a scratch baker for sure. Her Key Lime pie bests any restaurant and we've tried many. Three Step Isles? I will only eat powdered sugar frosting on grandma's christmas sugar cookies and molasses bars. Oncakes it really gross IMO. 8 hours ago, Squaredeal Sten said: There is a thread somewhere in these forums that essentially says sugarcane is rare in Glorantha and they just make a brown sweet liquid with it. I bet they make it in Three Step Isles along with the sugar cane that grows there which is brought to the Heortland Plateau (see how easy that was). IMG The one face is too funny for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) On 11/26/2021 at 11:17 AM, Joerg said: But their worship rites don't have blood sacrifice (according to the Durengard scrolls), and the rites are overseen by the Zzaburs alongside the cult holy people - the worship/veneration mana needs to flow. Edited March 22 by Erol of Backford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erol of Backford Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 4 hours ago, Qizilbashwoman said: what is this, the Aqeda? I understood that the Heortlanders moved from sacrifice of live animals - offerings to that of baked goods that looked like the creature to be offered? But cleaning the temples/alters wouldn't be an issue as who doesn't like cake that isn't covered with chaotic powdered sugar runny frosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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