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Reread the description of the major head (Cults of Terror p68).

Dragon Magic does not seem to use a rune pool because Dragonewts are NPCs. A rune pool can however explain their behaviour in using Dragon Magic and would be useful for human casters of Dragon Magic. So the objection isn't as strong as you assume.

If and only if the Thanatari couldn't use his own rune points to power the rune spells of his head.

It depends on what the nature of the major head is like in RQG. The cult wasn't updated thoroughly for Shadows on the Borderland (insufficient time) so the only real reference is the Cults of Terror writeup - which has issues. I could see a ghost being compelled to cast its rune magic but I have reservations about any magic being re-usable under the Thanatari's control.

I think from the weaker versions of the rune spell (ingest scroll and devour book) that the consumed mind should* be treated as a source of information rather than a source of magic. Thus the Atyari would know what the consumed mind knew. *In other words, I know the spell description says otherwise, it's just that I think it makes better sense if it were done this way. As for the original question of a dragonewt head, I think the dragonewt has become polluted and any known dragon magic becomes one-use as any connection with the Cosmic Dragon is burnt off.

The Xin Chi Wan is just outside Sydney according to the map and the page predicts its arrival on the 16th. Likewise the Xin Los Angeles is due the 25th and the Mol Tribute is due the 24th. I think the dates giving by Chaosium include generous allowances made by the Shipping Co. for Things Going Wrong.

Please could you observe some basic common sense and not respond to month old postings? I've already been snapped at because somebody else did something similar and I really don't appreciate being dragged back into a thread that I thought was dead,.

RQ3 p83 (big Book) had the following values for the melting point. Zinc 4D6 Aluminium 6D6 Bronze 8D6 Silver 9D6 Rock, Glass 12D6 Nickel 14D6 Iron 15D6 I'd saw that the softening point is one or two d6 below that point (ie Bronze becomes soft with a heat of 6D6).

You might also want to pay attention to the dates as well. I said my piece over four weeks ago and have not responded since. So take your moralizing elsewhere. If you don't like the topic being extended, response to the person who saw fit to get the last word in.

He is described as Baron of Sanuel on p44 of the Glorantha Sourcebook.

So that's where the Closed-handists are hiding out!

I had better things to do because any convoluted theory to save the text in RuneQuest Companion isn't worth it. No, it's not. There are key differences in the text between trolls and trollkin and the sourcebook. In particular in the text that I cited, the Castle of Black Glass is described as being raised within history whereas the sourcebook merely claims that Argan Argan ruled from it. That does not make it "verbatim" by any sane definition.

The Jerending Clan (King of Sartar p200). Dunno which tribe though.

I was having a squiz at er... Trolls and Trollkn and there's a suprisingly well-fleshed out history of the trolls in there. Most interesting for the thread topic is this: Large parts of it are outdated (The trolls didn't rule Dark Esrolia to the degree implied here) but the idea of a conflict between the Islanders and the Esrolians/Trolls is interesting. I think opposing the trolls were not only the Islanders but the Ludoch and the Waertagi while the westerners may have been the Slontans. Other interpretations are possible however.

Hrestol's Saga, Smrestol's Saga. There are better things to do then to make appeals to authority based on the use of a particular name in some hoary text that neither Greg nor Chaosium bothered to release publicly. Except that Naveria is not a goddess whose name is obscured in the myth whereas Brightface is.The myth is not about the early days of name-giving but when male gods had their identities concealed while doing evil- only in death are their names revealed as is the case with Gorental (Entekosiad p28 and footnote). The Naverian myths occur in a different cycle of mythology which does not require such apophasis. Nope. That's not what Ian is suggesting. Ian thinks that Yelm was a construct to worship an unknown Sun God worshipped in Peloria during the Golden Age. As such, Yelm is not parallel to Brightface etc because Yelm may not have existed in the Golden Age. Golden Age: Brightface (Darsen, Entekosiad p28)), Emperor God (Naveria Entekosiad p78), ??? (Dara Happa), Radiant Origin (Pelanda, Entekosiad p47) Storm Age: Ersonmoda (Pelanda, Entekosiad p38), Antirius (Dara Happa, Glorious Reascent), Elmal (Vingkotlings, Book of Heortling Mythology), Kargzant (Horse-riders, Glorious ReAscent), All-Seeing Eye? (Rinliddi, Glorious Reascent) For example Brightface, Radiant Origin and the Emperor God are parallel to each other because they are sun gods worshipped in Peloria during the Golden Age at the same time but are different from each other. The gods are different in the Storm Age because the nature of the Sun changed. The Dara Happans lost their original sun god and took up the worship of Antirius. When the Sun came back after the Dawn, they had statuary, fragments of myths etc but no sacred texts or surviving documentation from the Golden Age.

Then why bring Zzabur and Hrestol into it? They don't know the name Yelm nor is there any evidence that the Lightbringer worshippers knew the name before contact. The earliest mention of the name is Plentonius. The name may have been taken from the Tower of Yelm in Raibnath (which has no other names when Jenarong arrived). That may have been a title (ie the Tower of the One Shining Overhead) rather than the name of the God. As for your contention that the name means Brightface - I doubt it. Brightface is not a translation of a name but a title to conceal the God's identity In any case, Brightface is a Darsenite Sun God parallel to the Sun God in Dara Happa and not the same..

No. There were two Golden Age Empires in Peloria - the Kingdom of Perfection which Yelm ruled and the Decapolis which Murharzarm founded (late Golden Age, after the invasion of Nestendos). Kinda like the difference between Egypt under the Old Kingdom and Egypt under the Middle KingdomThere is an massive artifact known as the Gods Wall which is thought to depict Yelm at his entrhonement. It's been suggested by many people that the Emperor on the Wall is actually Murharzarm. What Ian is talking about with Yelm being a constructed deity is that the Solar Cult of Golden Age Dara Happa had long been forgotten as a result of the Gods War and that the historical Dara Happans had no way of knowing how to worship him anew. They had access to Antirius who knew that he was the Sun of the Storm Age Dara Happa but also knew that he wasn't the desired Sun of the Golden Age. They therefore constructed a cult of what they thought might have been the Golden Age Sun God from the many fragments of myth that they had (Ian says this took place during the Bright Empire - I think it took place earlier) It is pointless in saying that Hrestol or Zzabur knew of Yelm. What they knew was the visible sun. What they didn't know (in Zzabur's case didn't care about) were the myths and rituals of how to worship him - the Sun of the Golden Age - correctly.

The trouble is that the source (the RuneQuest Companion p18-19) has the Closing descend after the fall of the EWF which is now not the case. More recently, History of the Heortling Peoples has the Hendriki conquering large parts of Esrolia in the same period but the Black Galleys on the Mirrorsea are nowhere to be seen. The Black Galleys are now placed in Jrustela I don't think the Black galley is a native troll design. More likely they plundered it from the God Learner ruins. Of the classical troll countries, there's only a few possibilities. SHADOWLANDS: Crowded out by the Waertagi and then the God Learners. Never enough space or time to establish a navy. BORKLAK: in north Fronela, probably where Oral-Tal is now. Probably kept in check by the Waertagi until their destruction in the Elder Race Wars. KOROMANDOL and DOZAKI's NEWHOME. The Koromandolese I think are too unsophisticated to establish a navy. The Newhomers could and would have used it to carry out seaborne raids of Kralorela and possibily Vormain. No longer extant ever since the Kralori conquered them. ANDIN and ARADINNI ISLES: Have a navy but may or may not be trollish. FOZERANTO: Destroyed by the Golden Fleet after attempting to conquer parts of the Eastern Isles. May or may not be trollish. They were apparently allied to a sea goddess that lost a battle with chaos.

Dormal isn't a Hrestoli. A spell that developed by one cult will work for all cults. As for the Brithini, they tow the ship out to the Isle of Delights where the sailors can then say their magics as per the guide (p417)

The ritual is completed when the ship sets sail and its effects last until the next landfall. Or so I believe.

We've really only seen one or two Orlanthi nations described in much details: the Heortlings and the Esrolians. I daresay the other Orlanthi are as different from them as the Heortlings and the Esrolians are from each other. As to why the Pelorians preserve their differences so much with respect to the Dara Happans and to each other, I think it's becuase they have spent a long time in the light of Dara Happa and have learned through bitter experience the bare minimum of subservience that keeps the Dara Happans happy and their own traditions intact. With the Orlanthi, you have adventurous elements going to places of stagnation and raising hell. In doing so, they spread their own values and blur geographical differences. In Peloria, there are more differences among the many Pelorians because the Dara Happans are happy with submission.

The best date for the end of the Second Age is 1120 which is not only the Dragonkill but the War in Heaven (which overthrew Shang Hsa may-his-name-be -cursed in Kralorela). Since the participants on one side were the dragons (who are rather less than transparent in their history), who's to say the Devil didn't appear then and was devoured as an afterthought?

The trouble is the dating. The Shadow Empire disappears relatively early (740 ST) at a time when the other Empires have yet to put on their Doc Martens. It's also unclear whereabouts he was active (Lankst or Delela?) and his position viz-z-viz the Dragon in the Room. At the very least, I think he was active before the EWF reached into Ralios causing Alakoring to respond with force.

They are kinda more closely related to Dinosaurs and Birds then they are to other reptiles (Turtles, Lizards etc)

Flamal, not High King Elf?