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I have a copy of the Argan Argar Atlas.  It's a lovely book, but I find some of the smaller details (especially lakes and hills around Dragon Pass) quite hard to read.  Are the poster maps (24 map set of Glorantha or 6 map set of Genertela) any larger/easier to read? 

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The 24 map set of the entire Glorantha is at a much smaller scale than the AAA:

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The 6 poster set of Genertela is at a very similar scale, just a tiiiiny bit bigger than the AAA.

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More importantly, both map sets are printed with a better contrast than the AAA, which I find too dark (assuming I didn't get a bogus version.... I got it from eBay).

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26 minutes ago, tedopon said:

I think I have only seen the 6 map version in person. How big is the 24 map one all laid out?

You just need to do the math :D 

The Glorantha map set has 24 sheets measuring 30.5x42.7cm, folded in two. They unfold horizontally and get laid out 4 across and 6 down. So the complete map is about 183cm tall and 171cm wide. You can basically lie down next to it and it will be the same size as you!

I don't have a good picture of that one, but last year I posted a picture of the Genertela map set with the obligatory banana for scale. That one is made of 6 sheets measuring 61x91.5cm, folded six ways. They are laid out 3 across and 2 down. So the complete map is about 122cm tall and 183cm wide. Once again, you can lie down next to it!

Look at the picture below and imagine that the Glorantha map is more square but almost just as wide.

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Needless to say, these map sets are huuuuuuuge!

I'm really looking forward to the new Sartar map coming up for the Sartar book (or is it the Starter Set?). I just hope Chaosium will think about us cartography nerds and do justice to what looks to be a truly wonderful map by selling it as a big poster on premium material (something better than what RedBubble offers, preferably). For instance, the legendary Harn map is available on vinyl and it's stunning.

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Thanks heaps for the pictures. That really clarifies the scale for me. Looks like it wouldn’t solve my readability problem. 

What I’d really love would be vector images of the maps... that way you could zoom in on some of the “busy” bits of the maps.  

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7 hours ago, Tupper said:

vector images of the maps... that way you could zoom in on some of the “busy” bits of the maps

You know that the PDF of the The Argan Argar Atlas (an excellent mapping resource) is available from the Jonstown compendium:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/178723/Argan-Argar-Atlas

Which means you can zoom and print to the scale you want.

Did I mention, it's free.  

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2 hours ago, Stephen L said:

You know that the PDF of the The Argan Argar Atlas (an excellent mapping resource) is available from the Jonstown compendium:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/178723/Argan-Argar-Atlas

Which means you can zoom and print to the scale you want.

Did I mention, it's free.  

It still is only a bitmap, and a bitmap of so low resolution that you cannot even zoom the legend of the map into readability (which is why that was released as a separate image shortly after the AAA became available).

I have seen a glimpse of Colin Driver's original digital maps for the Guide and the AAA, and they have a resolution that you might print out in the same size as the Dragon Pass boardgame with hardly any pixelation occurring, if any at all. The tree symbols would still be quite oversized.

Getting these maps into a vector format and re-calculating those tree symbols into a forestation density map as a thematic layer in a GIS is one of my many long-term "I'd love to do or see this" projects. Clickable maps where clicking a feature or a label would get you to a gazetteer page or a selection of links to publications would be the ideal encyclopedia tool for Glorantha, backed with a database of maybe 100k entries with lists of text segments of the publications to date (as an extimate, probably at least half a million such snippets, or otherwise landing marks in published pdfs).

One thing that you should be aware of is the amount of generalizing errror you get when zooming in too far into an overview map. Quite often the location of the icon representing a terrain feature is not completely in the same place as the feature would have in a more detailed map. Assigning tribal areas from a text label caused endless grief and wrong information back when the maps in Thunder Rebels and Dragon Pass: Land of Thunder were used by many a Sartarite campaign. The Balmyr label for instance goes left to right, while the tribal area goes mainly north to south. This led people to assume that the Locaem inhabited the lands around Wilmskirk. Quite annoying if you had a Balmyr campaign in that area, based on a map that matched the tribes to the hexes of the Dragon Pass gameboard, which in turn was derived from Greg's master map which had been unavailable at that time.

Greg Stafford was a master of layered mapping. He left an archive of transparent paper with all manner of thematic layers in a number of scales. If you own early editions of The Fortunate Succession or its beta release The Dara Happan Book of Emperors, you will recognize some of the thematic layers that made their way into the historical maps of the Guide to Glorantha. These layers exist for every fifty years of Gloranthan history, at least for western and central Genertela! Jeff chose those with the most pertinent changes to present the historical outline.

If you compare the new master maps that Jeff teased three years ago at the Kraken (one of the few conventions he doesn't need a plane flight to attend, which means he can bring over-sized luggage) and from which the new maps now presented as previews on facebook with the AAA you will find quite a few differences. As a rule, a detail map always trumps an overview map, as it has a lot less generalization errors.

When you create a detail map from an overview map, it is fine to re-arrange details a bit. Re-positioning text labels in a map of a different scale is pretty much a no-brainer, except for the runes that are actual terrain features (like the dragonewt rune created by the functional dragonewt roads in Dragon Pass). You just cannot make justice to every river bend, every bay, every local ridge, in an overview map. 

 

When it comes to printed maps, there is only a limited amount of thematic information you can cram into the map. Do you want area colors to signify territorial claims, or do you want them to mark terrain features, or elevation gradients? The AAA maps use solid color for elevation classes. The political maps in the Guide use different greyscale filling to define areas claimed by larger polities. The snippets of the new Sartar map use color to indicate forestation, arable land, or the Quivin massif.

Speaking of those snippets, I notice that these restrict all arable land shown in that map to the valley bottoms of Sartar. Given the distances between some of those settlements and the arable areas marked on that map, I wonder whether those areas mapped out as arable are actually under the plow, or under a temple blessing, and whether there are other field areas on fertile slopes that are not shown in the map. If you compare the Colymar history in the Adventure Book with the map of arable land in Colymar terrritory, there is no way to have any lost clans in the Thunder Hills or the Brambleberry Vale doing any agriculture on such land, but clans like the Karandoli or the Jenstali are well-documented (though not at all clearly located in the map).

 

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