Akhôrahil Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) This seems pretty shockingly powerful. Apparently books are far better than the best possible teacher for the same period of study? Would you still get the bonuses if you hired someone to read it for you? Edited August 1, 2019 by Akhôrahil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonsnail Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Akhôrahil said: This seems pretty shockingly powerful. Apparently books are far better than the best possible teacher for the same period of study? Would you still get the bonuses if you hired someone to read it for you? For sure. Learning by experience when you have a high skill can take something like six seasons to earn a 3% increase. Unless you choose to roll and get the obligatory 1% increase instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirinyaga Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 20 hours ago, Akhôrahil said: This seems pretty shockingly powerful. Apparently books are far better than the best possible teacher for the same period of study? Would you still get the bonuses if you hired someone to read it for you? Hey, it's only a fair return for the rare, difficult and highly esoteric skill of Read/Write(language) ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, kirinyaga said: Hey, it's only a fair return for the rare, difficult and highly esoteric skill of Read/Write(language) ! Just spell-trade me a thanatari book-eating spell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonsnail Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, kirinyaga said: Hey, it's only a fair return for the rare, difficult and highly esoteric skill of Read/Write(language) ! So a Scribe-Warrior would be optimal for the Egregious munchkinnery thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dragonsnail said: So a Scribe-Warrior would be optimal for the Egregious munchkinnery thread? A Scribe-Warrior-Monk-Priest would be better. 1 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, Dragonsnail said: So a Scribe-Warrior would be optimal for the Egregious munchkinnery thread? There was some kind Sword-focused Lhankor Mhy subcult in HeroWars. That's looking pretty great right now. Or, Lhankor Mhy + Humakt, focusing on the Truth Rune? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Speaking as a rules-playing munchkin, delaying reading such books will increase their benefit greatly as your chance to fail your skill check diminishes at high proficiency, while the book still gives a straight bonus. OTOH, there might be a skill cap for each book beyond which it becomes useless. While a good trainer can teach a student to surpass the trainer's practical abilities, even that has limits. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 10 hours ago, kirinyaga said: Hey, it's only a fair return for the rare, difficult and highly esoteric skill of Read/Write(language) ! Bah! If you have a good Read/Write, you're likely to be in Lhankor Mhy. If you're in Lhankor Mhy, you are likely to have sorcery. If you have sorcery (especially in LM), you probably have Logician. And Logician allows you to increase any other Read/Write ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 9 hours ago, Shiningbrow said: Bah! If you have a good Read/Write, you're likely to be in Lhankor Mhy. If you're in Lhankor Mhy, you are likely to have sorcery. If you have sorcery (especially in LM), you probably have Logician. And Logician allows you to increase any other Read/Write ... Yes, but for it to have an effect you need to spend about 14 points on duration, and then some on intensity. Or a couple of POW for inscribing the spell. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Joerg said: Yes, but for it to have an effect you need to spend about 14 points on duration, and then some on intensity. Or a couple of POW for inscribing the spell. ??? Just recast...(granted, it'd be more economical with 14 duration, but if you're cutting it fine, 7 pts would do) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
styopa Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 On 8/1/2019 at 3:00 PM, Akhôrahil said: This seems pretty shockingly powerful. Apparently books are far better than the best possible teacher for the same period of study? Would you still get the bonuses if you hired someone to read it for you? Once you try to run them in your campaign, you'll pretty quickly note that RQ2 scenarios contain some rather overpowered loot that wasn't that hard to gather. Not a lot of regards for balance over long-span campaigns. Rather than flat gains, it would make more sense that books would give someone multiple checks (like 5 or more) against their lore skill like a skill gain roll...this would mean they could still be big gains for people who knew nothing about the subject, and still be relatively treasured by experts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Shiningbrow said: ??? Just recast...(granted, it'd be more economical with 14 duration, but if you're cutting it fine, 7 pts would do) While a book isn't meant to be read in one go, I would at least demand concentration rolls to keep your mind on the topic of the book rather than casting your Logician spell when studying it. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 11 hours ago, Joerg said: While a book isn't meant to be read in one go, I would at least demand concentration rolls to keep your mind on the topic of the book rather than casting your Logician spell when studying it. 7 points duration is 6 hours... Find me anyone who can keep their concentration up for that long anyway! (Well, yes, I know... Very few people can... And, in fact, it should be a skill, power, magic or whatever LM teaches!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) On the subject of gains, I too think it's pretty silly to give flat gains. It completely ignores the possibility that the reader actually already knows this knowledge with their current skill level. (A 1% increase in knowledge is actually a *huge* amount! Just consider the amount of material you had to read throughout all of your schooling, primary, secondary, tertiary... (cos, you know, modern education is a modern thing)) (Is a 100% plant lore in Glorantha equivalent to 100% in RL?) Edited August 4, 2019 by Shiningbrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brootse Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/2/2019 at 8:27 PM, Dragonsnail said: So a Scribe-Warrior would be optimal for the Egregious munchkinnery thread? The pen is mightier! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Brootse said: "The pen is mightier..." Said the sage, just as she realised she was standing in front of a Humakti Sword. "... than, ummm, a... A pencil?? Hehe...". <gulp> (Edit: speaking of which, would a troll Lhankor Mhy scholar have a temple/library in The Castle of Lead Pencil?) Edited August 15, 2019 by Shiningbrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Quote The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp. —Terry Pratchett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szwagier Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Shiningbrow said: Said the sage, just as she realised she was standing in front of a Humakti Sword. "... than, ummm, a... A pencil?? Hehe...". <gulp> (Edit: speaking of which, would a troll Lhankor Mhy scholar have a temple/library in The Castle of Lead Pencil?) Totally off topic, but John Wick is renowned for killing 3 men with a pencil. [EDIT] Pencil skill at 150%? Edited August 15, 2019 by Szwagier Further Thought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreJarosch Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Szwagier said: Totally off topic, but John Wick is renowned for killing 3 men with a pencil. [EDIT] Pencil skill at 150%? Was that before or after he wrote 7th Sea? 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 hours ago, AndreJarosch said: Was that before or after he wrote 7th Sea? 😉 Whilst... 1 Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g33k Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Bill the barbarian said: Whilst... So you're saying he killed 3 guys and wrote the ms. in the blood of his slain enemies? Quote C'es ne pas un .sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, g33k said: So you're saying he killed 3 guys and wrote the ms. in the blood of his slain enemies? Proving the pen (not to mention a high-powered handgun) to be mightier than the sword, and now he works for Chaosium! Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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