Godlearner Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Quote Sanctify 1 Point Ritual, Stackable This spell blesses the volume of a 10-meter-radius area, usually a sphere (though Earth cult holy ground always takes on a cubical shape). Cast on level ground, one hemisphere would roughly be in the air, and the other within the earth. While the Sanctified area is not detectable by touch or trolls’ Darksense, the boundaries slightly shimmer in bright light. Ceremonies are performable within a Sanctified area that normally can be performed only in a temple, such as replenishing Rune points. Anyone within any portion of the sanctified area is considered completely within it. If non-initiates, spells, or spirits cross the boundary, the caster is immediately alerted to their presence. Additional Rune points of Sanctify increase the radius of protection by half again. Thus, 2 points of Sanctify protects a 15-meter-radius area, and so on. I think we are all familiar with this common spell, but what I would like to know if any one has additional or special rules for it? For example, we play that enemy cults cannot ask for Divine Intervention in a Sanctified area. And, since it is an enchantment, it can not be Dispelled, but we allow it to be taken down by another Sanctified spell if the Caster overcomes the amount of magic points sacrificed in the Sanctified area during the last Worship ceremony with his POW. In this case we allow this spell case to be cast as a Instant instead of Enchant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Godlearner said: And, since it is an enchantment, it can not be Dispelled, It's not an enchantment, it's a ritual. To be an enchantment permanent POW not Rune points must be spent. 1 hour ago, Godlearner said: but we allow it to be taken down by another Sanctified spell if the Caster overcomes the amount of magic points sacrificed in the Sanctified area during the last Worship ceremony with his POW. It can be be dispelled by any magic strong enough to do so. (Dispel, Dismiss, Neutralise Magic). Once the ceremony is over, it disappears anyway. 1 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godlearner Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 Quote It's not an enchantment, it's a ritual. We consider it an enchantment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadiagt5 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Godlearner said: We consider it an enchantment. Which is OK as a house rule, but it does mean that you really can't get advice on Sanctify from other players since it's a major deviation from RAW. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Arcadiagt5 said: Which is OK as a house rule, but it does mean that you really can't get advice on Sanctify from other players since it's a major deviation from RAW. But that was the whole point of the thread, wasn't it? Godlearner asked: 16 hours ago, Godlearner said: I think we are all familiar with this common spell, but what I would like to know if any one has additional or special rules for it? 1 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HreshtIronBorne Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I was fairly certain that a wordhipper of an enemy god cannot divine intervention inside your holy place. So, an Orlanthi couldn't DI out of a Krarsht Temple and vice versa. Is Sanctify where this special temple holy groubd ability comes from? If so, why would it end after the ceremony, or is it constantly being sanctified somehow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) I would suggest re-reading Divine Intervention on page 272 On 4/10/2021 at 6:15 PM, HreshtIronBorne said: I was fairly certain that a worshipper of an enemy god cannot divine intervention inside your holy place. That's not what it says: Quote A deity cannot do other than what it did during the God Time. and there is specifically an example that says: Quote Divine intervention cannot be used against worshipers of the same god. The worshipers of the Orlanth temple in the Aranwyth Tribe will be refused if they attempt to call upon Orlanth to help them invade the temple of Orlanth worshipers of the Culbrea Tribe. So an Orlanth group could DI into a Kyger Litor temple to steal the sandals of Darkness Quote So, an Orlanthi couldn't DI out of a Krarsht Temple It says: Quote An anti-Chaos party, consisting of a Zorak Zoran leader, and Storm Bull, Babeester Gor, and Orlanth followers should be able to escape a Thanatar temple, if the leader calls upon Zorak Zoran and the god responds. So they could DI out. Quote and vice versa. Yes if there is a precedent. Quote Is Sanctify where this special temple holy groubd ability comes from? If so, why would it end after the ceremony, or is it constantly being sanctified somehow? If it's a permanent temple, a giant sanctify is initially cast and then the worship never stops. There may be more info coming on establishing temples, but I'd allow permanent POW to be spent to make it an enchantment (instead of RPs). Don't forget you can have votive images continually worshipping, or the ghosts of previous priests conducting continual ceremonies. Go wild. Edited April 15, 2021 by David Scott 3 1 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Desperate WindChild Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, David Scott said: There may be more info coming on establishing temples, I love this idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godlearner Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 Quote I would suggest re-reading Divine Intervention on page 272 I know what it says, I want to know how people play it in their version of RQG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, David Scott said: There may be more info coming on establishing temples, 1 hour ago, French Desperate WindChild said: I love this idea Me too! 2 hours ago, David Scott said: Go wild. I love that one even more! WAHAAAAA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 13 hours ago, Godlearner said: I know what it says, I want to know how people play it in their version of RQG. The reply was directed at HreshtIronBorne, but you want to know how people play DI as well? Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godlearner Posted April 11, 2021 Author Share Posted April 11, 2021 Quote but you want to know how people play DI as well? If the Sanctify effects it in any way in your game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 On 4/11/2021 at 2:05 AM, David Scott said: Don't forget you can have votive images continually worshipping Oh, now that makes for some interesting munchkinnerry!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloster Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Shiningbrow said: Oh, now that makes for some interesting munchkinnerry!!! Yes, that means the worshiping ceremony never ends, thus the sanctify stays in effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Kloster said: Yes, that means the worshiping ceremony never ends, thus the sanctify stays in effect. I was thinking more along the lines of - taking votive images with you wherever you go, and dropping said Sanctify and votive image in enemy temples (probably after a quick Dismiss Magic). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Shiningbrow said: I was thinking more along the lines of - taking votive images with you wherever you go, and dropping said Sanctify and votive image in enemy temples (probably after a quick Dismiss Magic). Remember to regularly check your Chalana Arroy shrines for Mallia votive images! Edited April 15, 2021 by PhilHibbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, PhilHibbs said: Remember to regularly check your Chalana Arroy shrines for Mallia votive images! Damn them! They spread like the plague! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloster Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Shiningbrow said: I was thinking more along the lines of - taking votive images with you wherever you go, and dropping said Sanctify and votive image in enemy temples (probably after a quick Dismiss Magic). Oh, you're devious. Good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 21 hours ago, Shiningbrow said: I was thinking more along the lines of - taking votive images with you wherever you go, and dropping said Sanctify and votive image in enemy temples (probably after a quick Dismiss Magic). Don't forget the image is of you, normally sculpted from rock. should range in size from 1 foot to full size. The description in the first link covers some excellent pointers: Form: Hands folded in reverence Wide-eyed with head tilted upward -- allow for continuous eye contact with the god Arched brows inlaid with dark shells, limestone, and bitumen Stocky muscular body with heavy legs, large geet, and big shoulders -- shows strength which is important because the statue needs to be strong enough to endure the constant worship Function: Serve as a stand-in when the owner couldn’t come to prayer Preserve faith to god(s) after death Here's one of the well known sets: https://sites.google.com/site/adairarthistory/ii-ancient-mediterranean/14-statues-of-votive-figures-from-the-square-temple-at-eshnunna https://cnx.org/contents/k64PgmY0@1/Mesopotamian-Votive-Statuary-from-the-Early-Dynastic-Period 4 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, David Scott said: Don't forget the image is of you, normally sculpted from rock. should range in size from 1 foot to full size. The description in the first link covers some excellent pointers: Form: Hands folded in reverence Wide-eyed with head tilted upward -- allow for continuous eye contact with the god Arched brows inlaid with dark shells, limestone, and bitumen Stocky muscular body with heavy legs, large geet, and big shoulders -- shows strength which is important because the statue needs to be strong enough to endure the constant worship Function: Serve as a stand-in when the owner couldn’t come to prayer Preserve faith to god(s) after death Here's one of the well known sets: https://sites.google.com/site/adairarthistory/ii-ancient-mediterranean/14-statues-of-votive-figures-from-the-square-temple-at-eshnunna https://cnx.org/contents/k64PgmY0@1/Mesopotamian-Votive-Statuary-from-the-Early-Dynastic-Period Yep, pretty much what I was thinking - although smaller and made of wood (or bronze). Like you'd put on a small home altar shelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Desperate WindChild Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 22 hours ago, Shiningbrow said: I was thinking more along the lines of - taking votive images with you wherever you go, and dropping said Sanctify and votive image in enemy temples (probably after a quick Dismiss Magic). But you cannot quickly dismiss the "eternal (aka enchanted) sanctification" of the temple, that's the difference with the temporal sanctification. You have to destroy things to desacralise the temple (well I think) In this case, I am not sur you need to sanctify anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, French Desperate WindChild said: But you cannot quickly dismiss the "eternal (aka enchanted) sanctification" of the temple, that's the difference with the temporal sanctification. You have to destroy things to desacralise the temple (well I think) In this case, I am not sur you need to sanctify anything. Destroy the holy objects*, Dismiss the old Sanctify, cast your new one... (GM to decide what they are, and how) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Desperate WindChild Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Shiningbrow said: Dismiss the old Sanctify, my point is to say it is not the same spell (I may be wrong), not a temporal one, so not dismiss-able Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Weird - I would have though that terracotta statuettes would be the norm in Orlanthi lands, with material like jade or alabaster reserved for nobility. Carved wood would be another poor man's version, and probably an important source of income for stickpickers or poor cottars. 2 Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Joerg said: Weird - I would have though that terracotta statuettes would be the norm in Orlanthi lands, with material like jade or alabaster reserved for nobility. Why terracotta? Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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