Oracle Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) I'm aware, that Belintar is not called Pharaoh anymore, but God-King, but anyway in the Adventure Book of the Gamemaster Screen Pack, p.6, it says: Quote The Stranger proved himself to be the sacral king and from then on was called God-King, or Pharoah. I have seen this title (Pharoah) as well as its alternate form Pharaoh in several older publications. But from my perspective - being a non-native English speaker - the latter is the correct form, whereas the former looks like a typo. Another example supporting the assumption, that Pharoah is a typo, is Thunder Rebels. In its index you can find Quote Pharoah .....................15, 152 but if you look at the respective pages the title Pharaoh is used! An Internet search showed something similar: even if searching for Pharoah most results were about Pharaoh. The only real hit was Pharoah Sanders, a Jazz musician, who used Pharoah as a part of his artist's name. So is my assumption correct, that Pharoah is a typo, or do I miss something here? Edited May 1, 2021 by Oracle added a second quote 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott-martin Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 59 minutes ago, Oracle said: Pharoah Sanders Early references like the RQ Companion use the "oah" spelling and it lingers in the publishing into modern times. While the Greg-King was always a creative typist, I love this fix. From now on the City of Wonders IMG sounded like this. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Brooke Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 Typo. Like "Kahn." 1 Quote Community Ambassador - Jonstown Compendium, Chaosium, Inc. Email: nick.brooke@chaosium.com for community content queriesJonstown Compendium ⧖ Facebook Ф Twitter † old website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, Nick Brooke said: Typo. Like "Kahn." Which to complicate matters comes from Sherman Kahn, one of the players in Greg's early RQ campaign (and one of the Ringworld RPG designers). 1 Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) English has a bad habit of making vowels basically interchangeable, so I blame it on that. Edited May 1, 2021 by Sir_Godspeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qizilbashwoman Posted May 1, 2021 Report Share Posted May 1, 2021 The Ancient Egyptian pronunciation was */ˌpaɾuwˈʕaʀ/ "Great House", basically like saying "the White House said today...", a hyperchorism. It later just turned into an actual title. By Late Egyptian the sounds of Egyptian had changed quite a bit over 1500 years and ancient Greek renders it as φαραώ pharaō, where the ph here is pronounced still as a ph sound (the change to f didn't happen until much later, maybe the third century AD). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) For me, it only matters when word puts a squiggly line under the word, telling me to change it. When I am reading, I don't really care how it is spelled. Edited May 2, 2021 by soltakss Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 10:04 PM, Qizilbashwoman said: The Ancient Egyptian pronunciation was */ˌpaɾuwˈʕaʀ/ "Great House", basically like saying "the White House said today...", a hyperchorism. It later just turned into an actual title. ’Synechdoche’ is the word you’re looking for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qizilbashwoman Posted May 2, 2021 Report Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Akhôrahil said: ’Synechdoche’ is the word you’re looking for? oh probably, yeah, neither are equivalent to "babygirl" (or, more appropriately, "Daddy") Edited May 2, 2021 by Qizilbashwoman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius West Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) Our cerebrum often correct such spelling mistakes automatically. They're a proof-reader's nightmare. Edited May 3, 2021 by Darius West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOB Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) The Great House – the original manor of Talar Barat - is a two story round building in the centre of Casin Town. It houses the Faro Wheel, the strange artifact the Talar retrieved from the Clanking Ruins. Because wagers on the Faro Wheel can be made with intangible concepts (runic affinities, mana, life-force, perception etc), Ingareen statisticians have long disputed what the Great House’s house edge actually is. But it is said Talar Barat’s beard turned gray that day Belintar "broke the bank" on the Faro Wheel. Edited May 3, 2021 by MOB 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oracle Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 41 minutes ago, MOB said: The Great House – the original manor of Talar Barat - is a two story round building in the centre of Casin Town. It houses the Faro Wheel, the strange artifact the Talar retrieved from the Clanking Ruins. Because wagers on the Faro Wheel can be made with intangible concepts (runic affinities, mana, life-force, perception etc), Ingareen statisticians have long disputed what the Great House’s house edge actually is. But it is said Talar Barat’s beard turned gray that day Belintar "broke the bank" on the Faro Wheel. Not sure, but I think, I do not understand, how this is related to the OP ... 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Oracle said: Not sure, but I think, I do not understand, how this is related to the OP ... 🤔 Interrelated puns and Easter Eggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oracle Posted May 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sir_Godspeed said: Interrelated puns and Easter Eggs. I thought so, but that's the point: Neither do I understand the puns nor do I see the Easter Eggs ... which tells me, that there are still a lot of holes in my Gloranthan lore ... Edited May 3, 2021 by Oracle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Oracle said: I thought so, but that's the point: Neither do I understand the puns nor do I see the Easter Eggs ... which tells me, that there are still a lot of holes in my Gloranthan lore ... Pharaoh is Ancient Egyptian for "Great House", as detailed in the thread. The "Faro (ie., "Pharaoh/oah") Wheel" of Casino Town is located in the "Great House" (ie. Pharaoh) of the ruling guy there. It was visited and jackpotted by Belintar (ie. the Pharoah) when he visited. That's what I got out of it at least. I suspect MOB just quoted a slightly relevant lore snippet to drop us a goodie. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOB Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said: That's what I got out of it at least. I suspect MOB just quoted a slightly relevant lore snippet to drop us a goodie. More about the Great House, the Faro Wheel, the Pharaoh/oah*, and Belintar breaking the bank in this thread: *long ago in my undergrad university days – back when the work we submitted was handwritten, and if you wanted to check your spelling, you had to look it up in a damn dictionary – I got a distinction for an essay about ancient Egypt. When handing it back to me the lecturer said it really deserved a high distinction, but for the fact I'd used three different spellings for Pharaoh throughout, and all wrong. Edited May 3, 2021 by MOB 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Oracle said: Not sure, but I think, I do not understand, how this is related to the OP ... 🤔 Pharoah/Pharaoh/Faro are essentially the same word. It is always good to see snippets of lore. 1 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 12 hours ago, Oracle said: Neither do I understand the puns nor do I see the Easter Eggs ... which tells me, that there are still a lot of holes in my Gloranthan lore ... Also the joys of the English language... Pharoah/Pharaoh/Faro - are all pronounced the same. Others have noted the references to the origination of the word "Pharaoh" But Faro (also "Pharaoh") is a gambling card game. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faro_(card_game) And what better than to transform a gambling game into another casino game (i.e. roulette, or wheel of fortune) but use the name reference since it conveniently connects into our favorite God-king's earlier (accidental) "Pharaoh" title. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hijabg Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, jajagappa said: But Faro (also "Pharaoh") is a gambling card game. Far out ! Farro is also a type of wheat grain you can cook to obtain something similar to rice or barley. I've discovered it last year and it has become a favorite since. It has a nutty flavour and keeps a relatively firm texture even after being cooked. Edited May 4, 2021 by Hijabg 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qizilbashwoman Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 5/3/2021 at 10:09 PM, Hijabg said: Farro is also a type of wheat grain yeah it's an Italian word derived from Latin far "spelt", not cognate. The cardgame is cognate, it's just Pharaoh spelled faro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloster Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 6 hours ago, Qizilbashwoman said: The cardgame is cognate, it's just Pharaoh spelled faro And in french, the Faro game is called ... Pharaon, meaning 'Pharaoh'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hijabg Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 18 hours ago, Kloster said: And in french Isn't it "Phare à Hon" in french ? En français, ne devrions pas plutôt écrire "Phare à Hon", tel qu'expliqué dans la vidéo ci-dessous? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOB Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Hijabg said: Isn't it "Phare à Hon" in french ? En français, ne devrions pas plutôt écrire "Phare à Hon", tel qu'expliqué dans la vidéo ci-dessous? As it happens... 31. The glow of the Faro Wheel can be seen for great distances and serves as a helpful navigational beacon, drawing in ships through the Troll Straits and from across the Mirrorsea Bay. (T) from here: 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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