bronze Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) It seems their characters, and even policies, are very different from each others. Edited November 15, 2023 by bronze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajagappa Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 23 minutes ago, bronze said: It seems their characters, and even policies, are very different from each others. Yes, they are the same person - they remember each thing that they've done before as Red Emperor. Everyone in the Empire will tell you this. No, clearly they appear different, and have different policies, so they can't be the "same" Red Emperor. But we won't speak of such things as it might prompt the Red Emperor to send Tax Demons, assassins, or others after us. 👹 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard S. Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Pre-1629 I think they at least share parts of the same soul. Post-1629 I think it's a new guy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatterdemalion Fox Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Ever seen Doctor Who? The Doctor lives, the Doctor dies, the Doctor lives again, he's the same person with the same memories but he's got a different appearance and a different personality each time. Sometimes, his next appearance even shows up beforehand: Colin Baker made an appearance in the show before he became the Sixth Doctor, and so did Peter Capaldi with the Twelfth. Now, if the Doctor died, and for a while there was a race between companions to see who would be the next Doctor, and then one succeeded and the mantle of the Doctor descended upon them, making them the core of the next Doctor, well, then it'd be just like the Red Emperor, wouldn't it? 5 4 Quote YGWV The Mianmo Archives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Biles Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Before Sheng Seleris kills him the first time, the Red Emperor pretty much just reincarnates. After the brutal metaphysical damage inflicted by Sheng, he's now a soul chunk that joins with different people, like Belintar, carrying the accumulated memories and central goal of the Red Emperor but it's also affected by its new host. Like a Star Trek Trill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Brooke Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 You might enjoy my Gloranthan Manifesto (free!), which also contains some of the heavy lifting that went into Life of Moonson. 1 Quote Community Ambassador - Jonstown Compendium, Chaosium, Inc. Email: nick.brooke@chaosium.com for community content queries Jonstown Compendium ⧖ Facebook Ф Twitter † old website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 I'd say the question is framed in a manner that kind of misses the point. The Red Emperor always is the Red Emperor. That's his divine personhood. But there are many masks the Red Emperor has worn, mortal frames for the Red Emperor. Those were all the Red Emperor, but they were also distinct persons. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Brooke Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 See also the Red Emperor’s full cult writeups in A Rough Guide to Glamour (non-canonical, but written with much love and scholarship) and Cults of Glorantha: The Lunar Way (coming in March 2024, and highly compatible with its predecessor). 3 Quote Community Ambassador - Jonstown Compendium, Chaosium, Inc. Email: nick.brooke@chaosium.com for community content queries Jonstown Compendium ⧖ Facebook Ф Twitter † old website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali the Helering Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Your Politico-Religious Propaganda May Vary😇 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Meet the new Emperor, same as the old Emperor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecake Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 “She selected or constructed Rufus, the Red Emperor. It was a trick of Hers, with parts and powers joined together from an apparent defeat.“ (Lives of Sedenya) The Red Emperor is a composite entity. But one of his parts is a body that was once a mortal man. Once it was the same body returned, now the masks differ. But it is only one part of the Red Emperor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius West Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 11:24 AM, jajagappa said: Yes, they are the same person - they remember each thing that they've done before as Red Emperor. Everyone in the Empire will tell you this. No, clearly they appear different, and have different policies, so they can't be the "same" Red Emperor. But we won't speak of such things as it might prompt the Red Emperor to send Tax Demons, assassins, or others after us. 👹 I think the memories are contained in the Imperial Regalia somewhere. Likely the crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, Darius West said: I think the memories are contained in the Imperial Regalia somewhere. Likely the crown. The Imperial Regalia are those of the Ten Tests of the Dara Happan emperors. None of those were in any way reborn. Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revilo Divad Of Dyoll Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 10:50 PM, John Biles said: Before Sheng Seleris kills him the first time, the Red Emperor pretty much just reincarnates. After the brutal metaphysical damage inflicted by Sheng, he's now a soul chunk that joins with different people, like Belintar, carrying the accumulated memories and central goal of the Red Emperor but it's also affected by its new host. IIRC, each time the Red Emperor "dies," he is recreated by the Egi on the moon. But when Sheng invaded the moon, he killed some of the Egi (and presumably new ones were chosen), so after that the Red Emperors were never exactly the same person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 11:57 PM, bronze said: Are the Red Emperors truly the same person wearing different masks? It seems their characters, and even policies, are very different from each others. In my Glorantha, yes, the Red Emperor is the same person. Sure, he had different bodies and some of the bodies were destroyed, but he simply reforms on the Red Moon and returns. Some people say that the Egi's bodies make up the next Red Emperor, but that doesn't happen in my Glorantha. Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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