David Scott Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) Kralori Section discussion! Main thread: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6492-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-3/ Week 3 errors: https://basicroleplaying.org/topic/6432-guide-to-glorantha-group-read-week-3-errors/ Here's one of the sketches for the Kralori illustration by Jeff Laubenstein Original art direction not available. Edited July 10, 2017 by David Scott Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 p54 the three Archexarchs and their areas of responsibility is curious. The Archexarch of War was already known but the Archexarchs over the masses and the Archexarchs of Work I find curiously named and their division of responsibility rather ad hoc (one appoints the mandarins, the other disciplines them, one looks after the imperial finances, the other spends it in the form of public works etc). I get the impression that Godunya has set up two parallel competing bureaucracies to root out corruption and maladminstration). I'm fine with the general concept but the details as is seem somewhat colorless. p54 the sidebar on the Kralorelan Seals gives me much better feel for the diverse nature of Kralori bureaucracy p57 the huge weapon that the Kralori warrior has is a horse chopper. The Kralori still do not like Pentans. Are horse-choppers an actual RW thing because a quick google indicates only fantasy descriptions. p57 Huocheng is described as a minister whereas Kralori have exarchs and archexarchs. A possibility is that Ministers were a rank of official in Metsyla's empire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, metcalph said: p57 the huge weapon that the Kralori warrior has is a horse chopper. The Kralori still do not like Pentans. Are horse-choppers an actual RW thing because a quick google indicates only fantasy descriptions. Closely resembles a Green Dragon Crescent Blade, a type of guandao. There may be a closer historical blade, but I am not well versed in Chinese weapons. Edited July 11, 2017 by M Helsdon 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Wandering swordspeople are among the lowest regarded, whereas martial mystics receive the utmost respect. How do the Kralori determine the difference? Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogboy Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Seeing as there is a whole slew of films about people making just that mistake, I'd assume the Kralori determine the difference with great tact and care 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 17 hours ago, Joerg said: Wandering swordspeople are among the lowest regarded, whereas martial mystics receive the utmost respect. How do the Kralori determine the difference? I assume the swordpeople are the ones with swords. Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, David Scott said: I assume the swordpeople are the ones with swords. So you are one of those people who confuse "martial arts" with "unarmed combat"? Musashi was a martial artist. The Kralori ones wield weapons, too, check the illustrations on pages 265 and 266. Edited July 12, 2017 by Joerg Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanPospisil Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) I suspect that was a joke. The difference would lie in the lack or presence of "mystical practice", while both "swordspeople" and "martial mystics" could sometimes use swords. In a pop culture parallel - The Bride was a swordsperson, Pai Mei was a martial mystic. Or in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - Jen Yu is a wandering swordsperson who will demolish your inn if you look at her funny, Li Mu Bai is a martial mystic who will make you tea and talk about not using swords to become the best at using swords. Basically - an armed wanderer could be all kinds of trouble, whereas a martial arts mystic is probably respectable. (even if potentially evil. Hey now, he might be an evil sorcerer who massacred our entire clan! But he spent decades studying that Empty Massacring Fist, you gotta respect that!) Edited July 12, 2017 by JanPospisil more words to make better speak. Ug ug. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Joerg said: So you are one of those people who confuse "martial arts" with "unarmed combat"? No I just said that I assume the swordpeople are the ones with swords. Personally I did some kendo in my youth. So I probably have a little idea of what martial arts can cover. Quote ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 More new stuff for me here. Kralorela was just a word for me and I was vaguely aware it was in the east of Genertela. So much good info here, and so different to my Dragon-Pass-oriented experience of Glorantha. Now we're exploring a whole world, not just a "country". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oracle Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) Also completely new stuff for me. There are some bits and pieces from Kralorela description in the Genertela Book of the RuneQuest III box Genertela, Crucible of the Hero Wars, but overall its completely new - and not enough . I'm aware, that its wrong probably to associate Kralorela with ancient China, but there are to many things, which simply trigger some associations. Again some immediate campaign ideas: something like the Water Margin (rebels against bureaucracy and corruption, Chinese Robin Hood story). Would become even more interesting with a real Dragon Emperor and some Dragon Magic on the side of the bureaucrats ... Or The Journey to the West. Although I do not have any idea, what the Monkey King would be in Glorantha ... and being a search for illumination (?) the story may also be too high powered. More on HeroQuest than on normal adventure level ... But anyway a good inspiration for stories/scenarios. On the Eastern Culture distribution map there is a blue spot (Kralorelan influence) north of Dragon Pass (Balazar). What does this mean? Draconic mysticism - another topic, that I would like to explore more ... Lots of things, that simply pique my interest, and are explained or at least detailed later in the Guide hopefully ... Edited July 15, 2017 by Oracle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 15 minutes ago, Oracle said: On the Eastern Culture distribution map there is a blue spot (Kralorelan influence) north of Dragon Pass (Balazar). What does this mean? Kralori influence from the Lunar Caravans. Considering where they travel to, the people are more likely to be Ignorants rather than actual Kralori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Oracle said: On the Eastern Culture distribution map there is a blue spot (Kralorelan influence) north of Dragon Pass (Balazar). What does this mean? It's the Redlands (likely specifically the Red Hair Place), not Balazar. Hence the Red-Haired Tribe and Eastern influence through that route. Edited July 16, 2017 by Akhôrahil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akhôrahil Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 13 hours ago, metcalph said: Kralori influence from the Lunar Caravans. Considering where they travel to, the people are more likely to be Ignorants rather than actual Kralori I'm reading ahead here (p. 302): "Alanthore: This Seer and Prophet has been roaming around the Redlands and the lower Arcos River, spreading his new cult of the Red Sun. The Red Sun encourages human sacrifice, and protects those cities which set up temples from Pentan raiders." Blood sacrifice and suns of non-standard colour? This certainly sounds like Ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Is Alanthore the Bronze Sword Prophet who was mentioned in the Gloranthan Encyclopedia? Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 3 hours ago, soltakss said: Is Alanthore the Bronze Sword Prophet who was mentioned in the Gloranthan Encyclopedia? The Bronze Sworded Prophet was Dranz Goloi.as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pentallion Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 7/16/2017 at 4:52 AM, Akhôrahil said: I'm reading ahead here (p. 302): "Alanthore: This Seer and Prophet has been roaming around the Redlands and the lower Arcos River, spreading his new cult of the Red Sun. The Red Sun encourages human sacrifice, and protects those cities which set up temples from Pentan raiders." Blood sacrifice and suns of non-standard colour? This certainly sounds like Ignorance. I'm reading around here too and I found a couple of interesting tidbits. "Livia Tarinda, Bloodheart High Priestess,...from Lunar Empire...has become the high priestess for Bloodheart, the name given to the goddess from her homeland....taught to Andins...Livia Tarinda also teaches otheres how to set up an altar and make the sacrifices to keep the Andins away. " That isn't Ignorance, that's Lunar. And the other thing? "Dech Oru sends Modu and Solumdar...sail around the East Isles...setting up altar's to Bloodheart where ever they go." But get this: In Revealed Mythologies it says the same thing almost verbatim with one tiny difference: "Dech Oru sends Modu and Solumdar...setting up altar's to the Red Sun everywhere they go. The Red Sun is definitively the Red Moon, the Red Goddess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 4:57 AM, Pentallion said: The Red Sun is definitively the Red Moon, the Red Goddess. The Red Sun is the Blood Sun the meta plot that Livia Tarinda and Dech Oru are part of has little to do with the Red Moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonL Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 7/11/2017 at 1:39 PM, Joerg said: Wandering swordspeople are among the lowest regarded, whereas martial mystics receive the utmost respect. How do the Kralori determine the difference? The former are outside the social order (parallel the Chinese concept of the wu lin), while the latter get bucketed in the top tier with the scholars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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