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Depends on whether the Bleak Land is a desert or not.

Storm Bull worship was imported there by the World Council in the Dawn. Within Charg there's a mysterious land called the Bleak Land which might be chaos cursed and so be a good land to find Storm Bullies.

Which means Genert must be a Prince Albert.

Which makes John Brown Orlanth?

Possibilities: The Red Moon is illuminated/darkened by an unseen astronomical body rotating beyond the Sky Dome. The phases of the Red Moon are the normal phases she would have had had she not been killed in the Gods War and continued to orbit the sky (ie a Sunpath planet with a period of seven days). She manifests those phases out of its astronomical context to prove her mastery over time, to redress the injustice that was done to her and to stick two fingers up at the Great Compromise. This implies that the life span of the Red Moon is limited. The Red Goddess splits her time between the observable and the transcendental realms. The Bright Side is when he is observable and the dark side is when she is not. Thus the bright side and the dark side are different places with different features depending on where their direction (facing Rinliddi, the light side has birds while the dark side has bats). The Illuminates see the complete picture which is shown in the Guide to Glorantha, much to the consternation of the Materialists who would really like to know what mushrooms they have been smoking.

Destroy the Carmanian Empire.

You mentioned Conan and Geralt of Riveria. That's not sticking to Dune by my measure. And FWIW I quite like Conan the Barbarian. He has the leadership practically gifted to him in the books doing nothing but passaing a few vague tests and killing someone in a knifefight. He doesn't do anything *for* the Fremen to make him become their leader. If you have not read Children and Dune and byond then how do you know the Fremen Rebellion was utterly futile? I myself struggled through Heretics of Dune (or perhaps it was Chapter House? It was one one where somebody's blood turns black after he does a bullet-time fight), can't recall this alleged futility myself. So he wasn't a historian. Thank you for admitting that.

The Atreides were surprised, not overwhelmed, in the books and both films. To bring out this point: The British were overwhelmed by the Zulus at Isandlwana. They knew there were Zulus and had prepared for battle but their ammo supply seized at a critical moment and so they lost. The French were suprised by the Germans at Ardennes. They wer fighting Germans but had no idea that the Germans could make it to where they did. Their morale plummeted like a stone and they lost the war. See the difference? I can accept iverwhelming but that's not what is depicted in the novels and the films. It's even more mind-boggling when we are told that the Atreides have one of the best armies and that there have been known problems with Harkonnen saboteurs (the hunter-killer incident). Yet we are supposed to believe that why the army slept, a single doctor without military training develops ninjujitsu skills and brings down the sentries, the shields and the communications? Not buying it I Frank Herbet may have believed such a thing but the novel does not bear that out. We are only told once (in a sequel) where in the "Did Hitler use a Lasgun?" conversation, Paul recounts the destruction that has occurred off-screen. We are merely told about it, have not seen it. Even worse, the awareness that Paul exhibits is quickly forgotten and does not come up again in any shape or form (as too the destruction). The later books was Frank realizing that he didn't need to make sense as his readers would do it for him.

Stick to Dune please. I'm not going to get sidetracked into arguments about how similar the Snake Tower ios to the Elephant Tower or the colour of Yennifyer's skin. If your argument is that the company should stick to the novel no matter what, then p[resumably you want the Guild Navigators wearing mirrored contact lenses to hide their dependence on the spice, no? Herbert was a journalist not a historian. As for historical parallel, your German provide himself to his alliesby teaching them how to use captured artillery etc. Paul in the novel does not do these things (okay there is the wierding modules in the Lynch Film but that's an innovation of the sort you think the filmmakers should not do). He passes a few odd tests to convince people he's the Chosen One and they follow him. Hopefully the second film will rectify this omission but it's something I found annoying with the novel.

It was a very good movie to watch to such an extent that the issues I had with it were with the source material. People who adapt it for the silver screen cut out the incoherent bits(1) and the silly bits(2) and congratulate themselves on doing a good job but what they should be doing is reworking the basic plot. For example I find it difficult to believe one of the best armies in the Imperium can be caught sleeping by a surprise attack (which is really on par with Danerys has her Dragon shot down). Nor could I understand why the Duke has to move to Arrakis with his entire household whereas the Baron was quite happy to live in Getty Premium and have Drax Harkonnen rule the place. Then there is the problematic narrative of a white boy, full of nobility and grace, becomes Mahdi of the Fuzzie-Wuzzies etc with hardly any effort. Many people on this forum could construct a more satisfyingly heroic journey. Still I most applaud the movie for believable combats (rolls eyes at a prior adaptation which has one side not getting off a shot), characterization (Baron Harkonnen is beliably evil without being cartoonishly so) and the look oand feel of the Imperium (it's a shame that we never get to see the Highliner do a jump).

Instantaneous but slowed by Darkness.

It seems to me that Fazzur could become King through a Dart Competition. He has the popularity and Imperial connections. So if he were just to be a wee bit dismissive of the King, Pharandros will develop a severe case of paranoia. Think of what Joffrey would be like if Jaime wasn't a member of the Kingsguard. So possible personality types: Joffrey- spoiled brat. Protected by mumsy from a deserving brick wall. Hamlet - introspective loner. His father's ghost has appeared to him and demanded his uncle's head. Edward II - easily impressed by favourites, rewarding them with many gifts. Although the King himself is oblivious, these favourites seek to eliminate possible rivals (ie Fazzur) to preserve their own positions.

Yelm died. The Seven Mothers did. The lightbringers being stuck-up Gods did not. Ergo Daka Fal hates them. That's because being hated by Daka Fal is the theological equivalent of hated by a yappiung lapdog. They know Daka Fal doesn't like thm but he's not important enough to be the subject of their ungying hatred. No.

Runequest Glorantha Bestiary p35 says hindquarters of a horse or a goat. The passage in King of Sartar was written during the Inhuman Occupation and so I suspect what lower quarters the satyr has depends on the species in the area.

Yeas, the oddity is why a Yelmalion would have worshippers of Gargarth as his thanes. I myself think it a slur or comment about his thanes tactics that misread as a comment about the religion of his thanes. Shades of the Thuggee here.

Harvar's fight was against the Righteous Wind, not the Elmali. Now there are some oddities about this passage (wind-walking?) that allow for re-interpretation but to interpret this as an explicit suppression of Elmali worship goes too far.

My answer has to do with the Minderkind Sages of Riverjoin (mentioned in one of the Wyrms Foonotes as believing that Storm Bull killed Kajabor rather than Wakboth but not seen or heard in later publications). Their odd belief, I supposed, was a general part of their philosophy and they went around proving that Good was Evil, Freedom is Slavery and War is Peace etc. Their leader was Varnaro of Riverjoin who could Life was Death which led to her ability at killing with a glance. Now prior attempts at eliminating the Ban had failed because it was treated as a Great Curse. Varnaro decided to eliminate the Ban by treating it as a Great Blessing instead. Hence to destroy it she would summon the Devil. Much labour and material was expended in the summoning which yielded a "huge translucent demon" (Guide p218) which stands at her side. The summoning was judged a failure and she retired having apparently wasted everybody's time for no good reason. It was only after contact with the Lunar Empire resumed that people started connecting the dots and found out her summoning was a huge success. So a grateful population made her ruler of Riverjoin. It is only with the appearance of the Kingdom of War that people have gotten the big picture and are wondering what to do next...

From wot I heard and put together (salt as appropriate), the Arrolians did a big summoning to break the Ban and inadvertedly created the Kingdom of War. It does feature as a prong in the Big Bad God of Chaos which is not mentioned in the Guide.

Yelmalio's always been a stand-offish guy. The lack of associate cults is not a flaw but by design. He's still got more friends than Humakt.

She's not a Sun Goddess, but the Morning Star. I don't think she was important to the Orlanthi but the God Learners called them that because they were so influential in the Dawn Age.

Anything that goes bad in Orlanthi history is probably blamed on an Eurmali. God Learners? seduced by one of Eurma's tricks etc. Historically on the other hand, no tricksters may have been present at any time. The best understanding of the contradition is perhaps is that Eurmal as a Great God is present in every new thing and that if the New Thing goes bad, then he is to blame. Another way of looking at it might that Loki (the TV show) caused the rise of Kang the Conqueror even though he never met Kang.

I kind of doubt it. I think they were Malkioni who abjured the Wizards in order to save their sorry hides when the Gift Carriers came calling. Since the lower castes had worshipped Orlanth and other gods anyway, they became Orlanthi at the end of the Imperial Age. Ehilm is mentioned as one of the Gods that led the False Gods revolt (Guide p622). I think rather than import a Seshnegi version, the God Learners imported a Fonritan version (Varama - Guide p553) as a counterpart to the Storm worship that naturally grew there. The cults of Ehilm and Halamalo would probably have problems with each other.

The myth of Zorak and Shargash can be see in Trollpak p8 titled "Three Curious Spirits".

No longer the case. The Esrolians have accepted Orlanth for a long time. The few statements in Esrolia: the land of 10K goddesses were apparntly references to their view of Orlanth in the Dawn Age.

Really one for the other forum, but there was a Waertagi population (known as the Blue People) that caused major havoc in Peloria during the Flood. Castle Blue and Vyran are relics of their mythical kingdom.