MOB Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 6 hours ago, Nick Brooke said: Some text has gone missing between pages 149 & 150, possibly because of the "Becoming Illuminated" box at top left on p.150. The body text currently reads (page break shown as //): Cheers, Nick The box section describing Lunar Illumination causes mysterious lacunae to appear elsewhere in the text—hmmm, nothing to worry about I'm sure... Hang on, look what got deleted: In the Third Age, Illumination is most prevalent within the Lunar Empire, where the philosophy is widespread among worshipers of the Red Goddess and the Seven Mothers. In Dragon Pass, new forms of Illumination, based on draconic consciousness or Arkat’s teaching, have come to the fore, promoted by Argrath’s Sartar Magical Union. Illumination is known elsewhere, most notably in Kralorela, East Isles, Ralios, Jrustela, and Vralos. The Near Ones or Friends of Pamalt are also thought to be Illuminates by some. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecake Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Page 157 “ The Chaos demon and his allies were driven off by a small deity from Ssar On Gror, who was born of Darkness and had the shape of a giant scorpion” the second line of this sentence is not visible in the pdf, only by copy and paste could I read it, I think it’s obscured by the caption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Page 172. Box. Is the Lunar sacred time only 7 days? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Scott Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 PDF bookmarks are okay up to a point then become _GoBack - multiple times. ----- Search the Glorantha Resource Site: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com. Search the Glorantha mailing list archives: https://glorantha.steff.in/digests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Page 198. "whereby the gods that still were voluntary abdicated their free will within the temporal world rather than lose their All into the maws of nonexistence." were voluntary -> were, voluntarily Page 204. "The world was built by the gods, and they still lived nearby. They no longer walked and lived among men, but they could be sought and found by the devout, and there was great interplay of energies between mortal and deity." Maybe still lived nearby -> still live nearby Page 204. "The followers of the deity were bound to adopt and maintain the attitudes of their immortal source of power, which meant that the deity still exerted influence upon the changing world of men. The cult members carried on proxy wars for their divine lords." maybe - The followers of the deity were bound -> The followers of a deity are bound - which meant that the deity still exerted influence - > which means that the deity still exerts influence - cult members carried on proxy wars -> cult members carry on proxy wars Page 204 "Yelm is the Sun God, son of the Primal Aether and Lord of the Middle Fire. His rival was Orlanth, son of Umath the Primal Storm and King of Storms." His rival was Orlanth -> His rival is Orlanth (or change to "Yelm was" for consistency ) Edited February 15, 2018 by Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffjerwin Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Charles said: Page 204 "Yelm is the Sun God, son of the Primal Aether and Lord of the Middle Fire. His rival was Orlanth, son of Umath the Primal Storm and King of Storms." His rival was Orlanth -> His rival is Orlanth (or change to "Yelm was" for consistency ) Technically this is correct, in my opinion. Yelm is the Sun God, and Orlanth and he have made peace. Because of the pre-Time and how it interacts with the world after Time, sometimes the two are in conflict in a ritual sense, but the end of the Greater Darkness was found in their truce and acceptance of friendship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecake Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Page 172 “Darkness, Sea, Rarth, Sky, and Air” Earth not Rarth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Page reference below refer to page numbers within the pdf, not the number on the pages. Page 36: assembled and held – suggest - assembled and held together Page 36: King Storm Kahn – should probably be - King Storm Khan Page 36: Euglyptus badly miscalculated the Sartarite – suggest - Euglyptus badly underestimated the Sartarite Page 37: During Starbrow’s Rebellion, the Dara Happan governor proved himself incompetent – suggest - During Starbrow’s Rebellion, the Dara Happan governor had proven himself incompetent [This was detailed on the previous page] Page 39: magic wards and curses – suggest - magical wards and curses Page 40/41: who then put his kinsman Tatius the Bright, dean of the Lunar Field School of Magic and leader of the imperial Assiday family, as commander of the siege – reads oddly; suggest - who then put his kinsman Tatius the Bright, dean of the Lunar Field School of Magic and leader of the imperial Assiday family, in command of the siege Page 40: came in winter 1621 – should be - came in the winter of 1621 Page 41: At Orlanth’s High Holy Day, 1621 – something awry with the chronology here. Orlanth’s High Holy Day is in Storm Season (equivalent to the winter) but if ‘the Lunar celebration was only 11 weeks old’ then Whitewall must have fallen in Earth Season (fall/autumn) so the earlier statement that it fell in ‘winter 1621’ must be wrong or 11 weeks is wrong. Page 42: proLunar – should be – pro-Lunar Page 42: away by spear men – should be - away by spearmen Page 42: Dehori – might be – dehori [in italics] Page 43: despite betrayal by the Western Barbarians – should be - despite the betrayal by the Western Barbarians [the barbarians defected to the Lunars and did not cause their defeat.] General: western barbarians or Western Barbarians? Both usages present in the document. Page 44: tributegatherers – should be – tribute gatherers Page 44: King Moirades sent his own general – should be – King Pharandros sent his own general [Moirades has been dead for fifteen years] Page 44: In Sun County, a rival claimant to the office of Sun County – reads oddly. Perhaps - In Sun County, a rival claimant to the office of Count Page 44: Earth Season, ele, 1625 – ‘ele’ should be a date given in Runes? Page 45: 10 meters – I believe Glorantha now uses old Imperial measurements so – 10 yards? [Metric measurements aren’t very mythic… Personally, in the real world I prefer the metric system, but the effect here is jarring.] See also: 32 kilometers; 16 kilometers; several kilometers long; etc. Page 46: alliancemaking – no such word. Suggest – alliance making – or – alliance-making Page 46: sworddance – suggest – sword dance – or – sword-dance Page 46: companions and households – might be - companions and household Page 46: Battle of the Queens – named Battle of Queens on page 214, and only the latter appears in the index. Page 47: Leika Blackspear or Leika Black Spear? Both variants appear on this page. Page 48: proLunar sympathies – should be – pro-Lunar sympathies Page 48: incohesive – suggest – incoherent – or - estranged Page 48: giant’s cradle – might be - Giant’s Cradle [as per usage on the next page] Page 48: batpeople – should be – bat people – or more likely – Bat People [see GtG] Page 49: one of the Merchant Prince of Maniria – should be - one of the Merchant Princes of Maniria Page 49: wandered across Genertela, even traveled to the East Isles – should be - wandered across Genertela, and even traveled to the East Isles Page 49: as blue as his god – might be - as blue as his god’s Resume at pages 54/211 Page 2: PROOFREADER: T.R. Knight – boilerplate error? Page 212: dragon-friend – elsewhere – dragonfriend [Perhaps latter is only used in a cognomen?] Page 214: meters – see previous comment. Page 214: At odd moments – should be - At odd moments, Page 215: A Snake Pipe Dancer – should be - A Snakepipe Dancer [see usage on page 218] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longsonr Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Page 193 - Description of Infinity rune. making them invulnerable to almost all magic, among other ability. should be making them invulnerable to almost all magic, among other abilities. Page 208 - Gonn Orta He was born in the God Time, It then continues "a native to this region" what "this" is it talking about? The God Time, is that a region? In the First Age, Gonn Orta lived in Fronela, which then was thinly populated by men. perhaps better as In the First Age, Gonn Orta lived in Fronela, which was then thinly populated by men. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Last night I was shocked to find that typos reported in 2016 were missed – possibly due to lost edits? So today, I have started working through the old comments to identify those outstanding. There were 25 pages of comments made in 2016… New additions are in bold. Page numbers below relate to pages in the PDF, not page numbers on a page. General: Humaktsson or Humaktson? Both appear in the document: the former twice, the latter three times. [Number of instances has changed.] General: sometimes creation is given a capital letter, often not. General: pantheon sometimes given a capital letter, sometimes not. General: war god or War God (and goddess). Appears with capital letters and without. General: Found Child or Foundchild? Both versions used in the document. General: Underworld or underworld? The former seems correct but both forms appear in the document General: Heroquest or heroquest? Both forms appear in the document General: dark troll – should be – Dark Troll General: great troll should be – Great Troll General: wane – should be – Wane [Note: not universally as wane is not always used as a Lunar Wane] General: demi-god or demigod? Both used in the document. Same applies to demigoddess sea god – should be – Sea God [General comment] Storm god – should be Storm God [General comment] Sun god – should be – Sun God [General comment, also sun god] [In lastest version at least one instance of sun god] Kolati – might be in italics [General comment, and also not always given a capital letter.] utuma – should be in italics? [General comment] Earth goddess – should be – Earth Goddess [General comment] sun – often given as Sun [General comment] [see instances on page 62, 81, 85, 107, 115] dwarfs – normal usage is dwarves [General comment] hell – should be – Hell [General comment] [See instances on page 113, and on page 116] Page 34, 36, 38, 42 (twice), 43, etc.: Lunar Army – usually in this document – Lunar army [General comment] General: various units of distance used in document: miles, kilometers (and km.). I believe the current standard are Imperial units. and/or – suggest this form detracts from the style of the essay. Suggest instead use – and [General comment] surface world is sometimes Surface World. Suggest the latter should be used. And that’s just the General comments. A few will be open to debate, but usage varies throughout the document, and in the case of variations of giving things capital letters or not, messes up the Index, because the index seed used seems to consist of only one variation… I should now check the other twenty-four pages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Checking through old comments, noticed that the Page Headers require attention. The Elder Races is the header from page 11 through to 47 throughout the History of Dragon Pass chapter. Page 141 lacks a header (should be Time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) Some of these outstanding 2016 comments have already been reported, but are duplicated here. New material in bold. Page 11: Pendarli lion people - should be - Pendali lion people Page 12: place of Pamalt - should be - Place of Pamalt [See page 8 Place of Genert] Page 12: Suam Chong - twice, should be - Suam Chow [Now only once] Page 70: Rune masters, demigods - should be - Rune Masters, demigods Page 73: Dragon Pass residents are certain of three - should be - Dragon Pass residents are certain of four Page 75: Thus. individuals were able - should be - Thus individuals were able New: Index doesn’t seem to pick up picture captions e.g. Orenoar only listed once. Page 78: omnipresent spectre of Death – not US spelling? Should be - omnipresent specter of Death Page 93: This was during the Golden Age, conmythory - no idea what the last word should be. [Later discussion indicated this is obscure slang for a mixture of myth and history. It jars.] Page 99: thrust himself up from deep – might be - thrust himself up from the deep – or - thrust himself up from the depths Page 99: Jorestl - is this the correct name? Page 97: Ralia is the daughter of Gata and Genert – no mention that she is the land goddess of Ralios. In the previous version, Seshna Likita was erroneously described as the land goddess of Ralios (now fixed), possibly because text had ‘slipped’. Page 98: she is the mother Kanthor and Jorestl - should be - she is the mother of Kanthor and Jorestl Page 116: Urengerum the Archer – usually named as Sagittus? Page 132: She is known to have been killed by the god of entropy sometime during the Great Darkness – Page 125 tells us explicitly that he/she was killed by the Unholy Trio. Whilst this is an intentional example of mythic uncertainty, the contradiction sits uneasily in one chapter. Page 85: order and chaos – suggest - Order and Chaos Twenty-one pages of 2016 comments still to check… On a positive note, so far three pages of 2016 comments were incorporated into the 2018 version. Edited February 16, 2018 by M Helsdon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Meints Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 All simple typos have been fixed. Simple grammar errors fixed. Formatting and headers have been fixed. I haven't made any changes to potential factual errors. That's not my purview... :-) 3 Hope that Helps,Rick Meints - Chaosium, Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Me favourite stylistic error is on p42 where in the space of four paragraphs, Kallyr is twice described as a Prince and once as a Queen. The effect is so jarring that I think it was intentional and reflects Amstalli having a senior moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffjerwin Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 hours ago, metcalph said: Me favourite stylistic error is on p42 where in the space of four paragraphs, Kallyr is twice described as a Prince and once as a Queen. The effect is so jarring that I think it was intentional and reflects Amstalli having a senior moment. She's both, though: Queen of the Kheldon tribe and Prince of Sartar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metcalph Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) p138 caption to picture. Chaos is mispelled as "Choas" in the last sentence. The original in the Guide does not contain the same error. RIK SEZ: This was already reported and fixed. Please do not report typos already reported. Edited February 18, 2018 by Rick Meints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) Page references below refer to page numbers within the pdf, not the number on the pages. More outstanding 2016 comments, with some still probably applicable. New material in bold. Page 213: He could be approached – should be - He can be approached [Odd change of tense in sentence] Page 213: 12 meters / He is 150 meters tall – aren’t imperial measurements now the standard? Page 54: landclearing farmers - should be - land-clearing farmers Page 63: The Uz names for troll types are duplicated in successive paragraphs. Page 63: deities of darkness – should be – deities of Darkness [see usage elsewhere] Page 66: Their departure revealed a thinly populated revealed a region thinly populated by indigenous tribes previously enslaved by the nomads – should be - Their departure revealed a region thinly populated by indigenous tribes previously enslaved by the nomads Page 67: received her apotheosis by and as Arachne Solara – meaning (intentionally?) unclear Page 68: population southward downwards the extensive ruins of Pavis – Pavis is to the east! And this sentence is incomplete. Suggest - population eastwards to the extensive ruins of Pavis [It might be argued that Pavis is south of Dagori Inkarth (actually roughly south-east) but this sentence doesn’t make sense] Suggest - the leaders of Dagori Inkarth sent part of the population southwards towards the extensive ruins of Pavis. Page 142: ancient even before time began – should be - ancient even before Time began Page 142: Central Peloria gave birth to the theistic way of life – should be - Central Genertela gave birth to the theistic way of life. [This is debatable, but there were theists in Maniria and Dragon Pass] Page 145: become the Destroyer he saught to eradicate - should be - become the Destroyer he sought to eradicate Page 148: In Peloria, the tired eastern satraps – might be - In Peloria, the tired eastern satrapies Page 152: celestial and Underworld powers – suggest – Celestial and Underworld powers Page 39: rebel gods – should be – Rebel Gods [Usage elsewhere] Page 158: They eventually helped the Empire of the Wyrms Friends dispose of the decadent Dara Happan Empire, and led nations aiding in the disposal of humans and dragonewts of Dragon Pass many years later – paragraph start should be indented. Page 161: intercept at Raibanth – should be - intercept her at Raibanth Page 173: Hwarin-Ong Satrapal clan – the Guide gives: Hwarin-ony clan Page 174: Thunder River – probably – Thunder Delta – but possibly – Oslir River? Page 178: ravenkaaz – should be – ravenkaaz [in italics] Page 179: even the mighty Thunder River – the Oslir River? Page 177: During the week-long ceremony – should be - During the two week-long ceremony Page 177: Usually, each of the five Gloranthan elemental pantheons is given a day to celebrate their particular rites, and usually in the traditional Order of Creation: darkness, sea, earth, sky, and air – should be - Usually, each of the five Gloranthan Elemental pantheons is given a day to celebrate their particular rites, and usually in the traditional Order of Creation: Darkness, Sea, Earth, Sky, and Air. [Somehow, Earth has become Rarth] Page 177: smack of God-learning – might be - smack of God Learning. Page 182: daughter of Sandene, a washer woman - Page 178 says he was married to a weaving woman Page 183: future sultanate of Oraya – should be - future satrapy of Oraya Page 183: horse-peoples – should be Horse Peoples Page 183: hell – should be – Hell [General comment] Page 184: Syndic’s ban in the west – should be – Syndic’s Ban in the west Page 185: Prince Phornostes – should be - Prince Phoronestes – and shouldn’t he be – King Phoronestes Page 185: Closing of the seas – should be – Closing of the Seas Page 185: High Archpriest of Loskalm – should be - High Watcher of Loskalm Page 185: moon boats – should be – Moon Boats Page 194: In 7/53 (1624), the Voor-ash appeared in strength – paragraph start should be indented. Page 193: Steal Woods – in Hendrikiland? Page 16: of the creature. Creatures included centaurs – suggest - of the creature. They included centaurs Page 16: Kajak-ab the Braineater – in the Guide - Kajak-Ab Braineater Page 18: fight the darkness – should be – fight the Darkness Page 20: Calf-wool Stands – A pre-publication version of the Guide said Calfwool Stands, but the published Guide says Cafol. Page 24: vendref – should be in italics [two instances] Page 31: and the Beast Men – should be - and the Beastmen Page 35: Together they had a son and a daughter – according to Page 23 and 27 they had only a daughter; suggest - With the first, Harsta Orindori, he was the father of Pharandros; with the second, the Feathered Horse Queen, he had a daughter. [Perhaps this discrepancy is intentional?] Page 40: who then put his kinsman Tatius the Bright, dean of the Lunar Field School of Magic and leader of the imperial Assiday family, as commander of the siege – should be - who then put his kinsman Tatius the Bright, dean of the Lunar Field School of Magic and leader of the imperial Assiday family, in command of the siege Page 40: When the final Lunar assault came in winter 1621 – should be - When the final Lunar assault came in the winter of 1621 Page 41: Halcyon var Enkoth – in Griffin Mountain - Halcyon Var Enkoth Page 42: After the Battle of Auroch Hills – should be - After the Battle of the Auroch Hills Page 45: brightest full stage – might be – brightest full phase Pages 22 & 30: Reaches Furthest or Reaches Farthest? Both titles appear in document Page 47: Leika Blackspear – or - Leika Black Spear [Both appear on this page. I suspect the latter is correct] Page 48: Argrath aided the purple people – should be - Argrath aided the Purple People Page 48: the bat-people – should be – the Bat People Page 50: Yanioth Two-sight – There’s variation in the name: Yanioth TwoSight (page 50), Yanioth “Two Sight” (Page 51 – chart), Yanioth Two-Sight (page 211). Page 50: Onelisin cat-witch – should be - Onelisin Cat-Witch – but now there’s Onelisin “Cat Witch” (Page 30, chart), Onelisin CatWitch (Page 50) Page 50: Jarolor – should be – Jarolar Page 8: seven daughters who give their names to regions of the continent – what about Esrola, Dorasta? Perhaps they are granddaughters? Page 197: called the power of Being – might be - called the Power of Being Page 197: power of Becoming – might be - Power of Becoming Page 197: their respective forms – might be - their respective Forms Page 203: rejected that as a separate magical – should be - rejected it as a separate magical Page 8: the power of Death – might be - the Power of Death Page 205: Notbeing – possibly – Not-being – or – Not-Being [two instances] Page 183: “I am Daylight.” – should be - “I am Twilight.” [See following page - The pair have remained important in Orayan worship, and are called Twilight and Nightlight, and are worshipped with Noonlight in one temple] Page 184: One side effect of this activity was the annual tribute of red-headed infants sent by Oraya each year – ‘each year’ is redundant. Page 189: In 6/44 (1562), he reorganized the Provincial System. The Emperor confirmed Phargentes as the Provincial Overseer, but rid the office of all shirkers and cheaters, and put the scribes among them. In 6/49 (1566) Problem with the dates - 6/44 (1562) and 6/49 (1566) cannot both be correct: 6/40 1557 6/41 1558 6/42 1559 6/43 1560 6/44 1561 6/45 1562 6/46 1563 6/47 1564 6/48 1565 6/49 1566 Six pages of 2016 comments remain to be checked… Edited February 17, 2018 by M Helsdon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jongjom Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Page 8 Upon the borders lie magical lands, and beyond those lie the Void, terrors, and the evil of Chaos. Page 18: Does this sentence make sense?: This Swordman returned in a cult of weapons masters in the time of the Feathered Horse Queen. Page 53 constructs (such as Jolanti and Page 56 Diamond Dwarfs [and later] Diamond dwarfs...but Diamonddwarves in the Guide Page 58 During this period, there was continued trouble Page 66 Ratslaf, Tylenea, Kargan Tor.; Page 167 "She prepared the city's grounds herself, and its her calm beauty is apparent." i) it is just one city? ii) the calm beauty is of the city? Page 173 In 4/34 (1443) trouble fell first amid the very heart of In 4/35 (1444), the Red Moon visibly dimmed In 4/37 (1446), the Sable People opposed In 4/40 (1449), the Emperor seized the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 42 minutes ago, jongjom said: Page 18: Does this sentence make sense?: This Swordman returned in a cult of weapons masters in the time of the Feathered Horse Queen. Page 18 (numbered 13): There is another tale of Hiia Swordman - in KoS (with one exception), and Sartar Companion, spelling is - Hiia Swordsman This swordsman returned in a cult of weapons masters in the time of the Feathered Horse Queen - suspect this might read - The weapon master cult of this swordsman returned in the time of the Feathered Horse Queen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jongjom Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) Page 16 "Derik Pol-joni to pursue his vengeance and hatred" to match up with the Guide & Pavis:GtA it should be: "Derik Poljoni to pursue his vengeance and hatred" Page 19 he asked the son of Derik Poljoni to ride for him in a race. Page 78 "TY KORA TEK is also the Goddess of Dark in the Earth, mentioned elsewhere this issue as one of the Six Earths." 'elsewhere this issue' I guess this was from the WF magazine. Instead maybe have "TY KORA TEK is also the Goddess of Dark in the Earth, mentioned later on as one of the Six Earths." Page 92 and 94 and 129 To match up with the Guide change "Dragons' Nest" to "Dragon’s Nest" Edited February 18, 2018 by jongjom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanPospisil Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Apologies for butting in, but I don't see a thread about the actual book - Aside from the art, should I buy it if I already have the Guide? (sorry, I've not followed this much, not sure if there's new material in this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jongjom Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, JanPospisil said: Apologies for butting in, but I don't see a thread about the actual book - Aside from the art, should I buy it if I already have the Guide? (sorry, I've not followed this much, not sure if there's new material in this) To Quote MOB: The Glorantha Sourcebook covers the following subjects:Geography: A basic overview of the geography of Glorantha.History of Dragon Pass: A history of the central crossroads of Glorantha.The Elder Races: A short overview of the main non-human species that predate humanity and once dominated the world.Theogony: The story of the gods of Glorantha, primarily arranged by element (Darkness, Water, Earth, Fire, and Air).Time: A history of Glorantha since the first Dawn.Gods of the Lunar Way: The new gods of the Lunar religion.Redline History of the Lunar Empire: A comprehensive history of the Lunar Empire since its founding and going until the early Hero Wars.Gloranthan Magic: A short essay on the Gloranthan Runes, types of magic, and some theories about what is magic.Gods and Mortals: An overview of gods, mortals, and those who straddle both worlds.Sartar Magical Union: A list of the magical units that served Prince Argrath in his war against the Lunar Empire. He fails to mention the awesome art, of course! Great maps too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Helsdon Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Page references below refer to page numbers within the pdf, not the number on the pages. More 2016 comments still probably applicable. New material in bold. Page 72: there is variation in giving Void, Silence, Prime Mover, Well capital letters. Suggest all instances should have a capital letter. [Still true for Void and Prime Mover] Page 73: When meditations were complete – might be - When its meditations were complete Page 71: Ratslaff – should be – Ratslaf [Previously detected in text but now present in a caption] Page 31: and raised the new city of Alone – might be - and founded the new city of Alone Page 35: As a result, Moirades became the third King of Dragon Pass – third is incorrect. Guide to Glorantha says: Sacred Kings of Dragon Pass Ironhoof the Centaur: from 1120 to 1218. Yanasdros the Sun: 1260 to 1290 Arim the Pauper: 1345 to 1370 Sartar the Founder: 1492 to 1520 Tarkalor Trollkiller: 1569 to 1582 Moirades: 1589 to 1610 Text should read: As a result, Moirades became the sixth King of Dragon Pass Page 26: (chart) Pharandos (1610–Present) – should be Pharandros [I have not checked the charts thoroughly… This turned up when checking the previous comment] Page 36: King Storm Kahn – should be - King Storm Khan Page 38: Western barbarians – probably - Western Barbarians Page 76: Hykimi – might be – Hykim Page 83: mentioned elsewhere this issue – should be - mentioned elsewhere [Seems to be a hangover from the original magazine publication] Page 83: Six Earths – this phrase is not used anywhere else in the document. Suggest they be listed, under this title, in the Deities of the Earth chapter. In Context: Ty Kora Tek is also the Goddess of Dark in the Earth, mentioned elsewhere this issue as one of the Six Earths – suggests this sentence needs to be reworked; the Six Earths may have been mentioned in the magazine but not here, by that title. Page 83: god of Undead – suggest - god of Undeath Page 97: She took Sramak as a lover, and together gave birth to – should be - She took Sramak as a lover, and together they gave birth to Page 113: The five sons of Umath, by order of birth, are: Kolat, Storm Bull, Vadrus, Humakt, and Orlanth – no mention of Ragnaglar? [see page 128] Page 135: Two hundred years before the Dawn – do ‘years’ have any meaning before Time? Page 58: Individualism, Vegetarianism, Octamonism – Vegetarianism not subsequently mentioned Page 144: of the foreign cult Gbaji – might be - of the foreign cult of Gbaji Page 153: Lady of the Wild – might be - Lady of the Wilds Page 15: Inside dissension and outside enemies – suggest - Interior dissension and exterior enemies Charts: Yorastina – should be – Yoristina [Corrected in the text] Page 82: In 5/2 (1465) aged 21 – No, 20. Table previously made to attempt to sort this out: Age 4/36 1445 4/37 1446 1 4/38 1447 2 4/39 1448 3 4/40 1449 4 4/41 1450 5 4/42 1451 6 4/43 1452 7 4/44 1453 8 4/45 1454 9 4/46 1455 10 4/47 1456 11 4/48 1457 12 4/49 1458 13 4/50 1459 14 4/51 1460 15 4/52 1461 16 4/53 1462 17 4/54 1463 18 5/1 1464 19 5/2 1465 20 5/3 1466 21 5/4 1467 22 5/5 1468 23 5/6 1469 24 5/7 1470 25 Terminus Est 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oracle Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) Just bought and downloaded 13th Age Glorantha and The Glorantha Sourcebook from the Chaosium web site. First: The Art is GORGEOUS. The Genealogies by Kalin Kadiev are AWESOME. Probably not being able to dive in too deep today, I couldn't resist to skim through The Glorantha Sourcebook at least. Not sure how many of the issues found in this thread were already corrected in the released pdf, but I've found some, which were not mentioned so far (Page references refer to page numbers on the pages, not the numbers in the pdf): p. 1: Bullfinch’s Mythology - not sure, but shouldn't that be Bulfinch’s Mythology? p. 23: In the graphic describing The Illaro Dynasty a blue box is displayed in the middle on the left for "13. Palashee Long Axe". This box is not connected to any of the other boxes. Sitting on the same level as "12. Philigos" and "14. Phargentes", my guess is, that Palashee Long Axe is another Offspring from "Kana-Telsor" and "11. Phoronestes", but the connection is missing. p.66: at the end of the descriptive text for a wonderful picture: ... Eighth Row: Dame Darkness, encompassing the Father of Demons and the Mother of Space. The same graphics for these gods are used in the genealogy on p.82, and according to this the text should read: ... Eighth Row: Nakala, encompassing the Father of Demons and the Mother of Space. p.131: in the descriptive text of the picture on the top of the page: ... Orlanth (note the Green Dragon head), ... First thinking I may overlook something I was not able to see the Green Dragon head. Looking more closely I could make out, that Orlanth holds something in his left hand, which could be the top side of a Dragon's head. But sadly the (probably bigger) picture is cut in a way, that this Green Dragon head is not visible for the reader. So you should either remove the text about the Green Dragon head or resize the picture so, that it is visible. The PDF table of contents needs a major rework: Geography >> the mundane world - should be: Geography >> The Mundane World History of - should be: History of Dragon Pass History of >> in the Beginning - should be: History of Dragon Pass >> In the Beginning the Grazelanders - should be: History of Dragon Pass >> The Grazelanders the Grazelander >> the Settlement of Dragon pass - should be: History of Dragon Pass >> The Settlement of Dragon Pass the Grazelander >> old Tarsh - should be: History of Dragon Pass >> Old Tarsh the Grazelander >> Sartar the founder - should be: History of Dragon Pass >> Sartar the Founder the Grazelander >> lunar tarsh - should be: History of Dragon Pass >> Lunar Tarsh the Grazelander >> the hero wars Begin - should be: History of Dragon Pass >> The Hero Wars Begin (in one line, i.e. without linebreak) the holy Country - should be: History of Dragon Pass >> The Holy Country (between In the Beginning and The Grazelanders) The Elder Races >> Aldryami >> Dragonewt - should be: The Elder Races >> Dragonewt The Elder Races >> Aldryami >> mostali - should be: The Elder Races >> Mostali The Elder Races >> Aldryami >> uz - should be: The Elder Races >> Uz and so on ... to be continued ... Edited February 18, 2018 by Oracle change page references according to Rick's request Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Ellis Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Page 134 - Canendrical Time Quote In the latter system, Roman numerals have been used to show season: 5/2/1/1614 is the same as ./l/w/1614. Pretty sure they should be runes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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