Jeff Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) So I am wrapping up the text of this book, while making sure that it all ties into both the new Heroquesting chapters in the GM Sourcebook and into the Hero Wars Campaign. It is increasingly looking like this will be a two-volume book, as it includes the long form of more than 70 cults. It is perhaps easier to say what the book does not have: The Invisible God of the West. This needs its own book, as my notes keep expanding. Additionally, the Invisible God needs to provide a materialist and humanist interpretation of the Gods and Goddess book - and serve as the Sorcery Book. So this one gets pushed into its own book. Godunya and the East. Same deal. Pamalt and the South. Same deal - I toyed around with including Pamalt in this book, even wrote up his cult. BUT I've concluded that it would make far more sense to include Pamalt and his version of the pantheon in a Pamaltela facing book. Minor gods of purely local importance, such as Pavis, Lanbril, Flintnail, other city gods, etc. These are better placed in their settings. Deities that can be better handled as masks or variant names of other deities, e.g., Elmal, Buserian, etc. So what is left? Well the book is more than 50% bigger than what was previewed at GenCon and has been pretty intensively revised. Here's the current list of cults that are definitely in it: Kyger Litor Annilla Argan Argar Gorakiki Xiola Umbar Zorak Zoran Magasta Choralinthor Dormal Engizi Oslira Ernalda Aldrya Asrelia Babeester Gor Caladra & Aurelion Donandar Eiritha Flamal The Grain Goddesses Hykim & Mikyh (includes Telmor and Basmol) Maran Gor Mostal Ty Kora Tek Uleria Yelm Dayzatar Dendara Gorgorma Lodril Lokarnos Lowfires Polaris Shargash Yelmalio Orlanth Chalana Arroy Eurmal Issaries Lhankor Mhy Daka Fal Foundchild Heler Humakt Mastakos Odayla Storm Bull Valind Waha Yinkin Seven Mothers Danfive Xaron Deezola Etyries Hon-eel Hwarin Dalthippa Irrippi Ontor Jakaleel Nysalor Red Goddess Yanafal Tarnils Primal Chaos Bagog Cacodemon Crimson Bat Krarsht Krjalk Mallia Pocharngo Thanatar Thed Vivamort I am still debating about whether to add Horned Man, Triolina, Subere, Wachaza, and Voria to the list. For me this has been comparable to writing the Guide - especially realising how these various groupings of gods overlap, intersect, and form a magical whole. Even in the West, South, and East, these are the deities that form the cosmic foundation (although often with different names and different stories). Edited March 3, 2019 by Jeff 27 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jps Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 This is really big, everything we need to play in the default setting, including Lunars and Chaos cults ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jongjom Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Jeff said: I am still debating about whether to add Horned Man, Triolina, Subere, Wachaza, and Voria to the list. Please, please add! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zozotroll Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Any even vague idea when we can see this masterpiece? Rabid minds want to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Jeff said: Enralda Just in case that's an export from the chapters list of the manuscript, thought I'd point out the typo... But more great news, Jeff. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkokko Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Looking really good. will it have the usual compatibility matrix. will there be the sacrifices that each of the gods expect (Storm Tribes style?) no Voria? —h Quote My Glorantha/Mythras blog with Glorantha Cult One-pagers and Mythras Encounter Tool updates and Mythras GM Charts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Jeff said: I am still debating about whether to add Horned Man, Triolina, Subere, Wachaza, and Voria to the list. I would like to see Horned Man, Subere, and Voria, but not so sure about Triolina and Wachaza, as they have limited use outside a Seas campaign. 1 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Jeff said: Caladraland & Aurelion Or Caladra & Aurelion, unless you are including a full writeup of Caladraland as well, which would be great Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psullie Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Excellent stuff, I for one would prefer it that you hold off adding new material so we can get our hands on it sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiryamo Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I see in the list some chaos gods. Was not a specific volume planned for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beoferret Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Will all variant names (e.g. Uralda for Eiritha) be listed for each deity? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jps Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Beoferret said: Will all variant names (e.g. Uralda for Eiritha) be listed for each deity? That could be helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rojo Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 REALLY helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkokko Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Would love to see Wachaza and Triolina as running a coastal campaign... 1 Quote My Glorantha/Mythras blog with Glorantha Cult One-pagers and Mythras Encounter Tool updates and Mythras GM Charts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Lord Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 17 hours ago, Jeff said: I am still debating about whether to add Horned Man, Triolina, Subere, Wachaza, and Voria to the list. Horned Man seems necessary IMO Voria itself is short, but adding her would seem to require also adding Asrelia, and Voriof, for the crone, mother, maiden "trinity" and for the boys cult corresponding to the girls one Can see both pros and cons for the last 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psullie Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Beoferret said: Will all variant names (e.g. Uralda for Eiritha) be listed for each deity? As a reference that would be great, with the caveat that regional differences can be direct, refer to an aspect or simply speculative. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumath Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 19 hours ago, Jeff said: I am still debating about whether to add Horned Man, Triolina, Subere, Wachaza, and Voria to the list. I think Horned Man is a good shout, as a cornerstone of shamanism. The others would probably be better off in specific supplements (e.g. a sea / ships sourcebook, trollpak etc) as they will not be used in most campaigns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHW Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Jeff said: Deities that can be better handled as masks or variant names of other deities, e.g., Elmal, Buserian, etc. Wait, what? Buserian is a mask? So he’s Lhankor Mhy? Edited March 4, 2019 by RHW Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHW Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I would vote yes please for Horned Man, Subere, and Wachaza. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 25 minutes ago, RHW said: Wait, what? Buserian is a mask? So he’s Lhankor Mhy? Yes. He's the Dara Happan name for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humakt Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Is gonna be subcults as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jeff said: Yes. He's the Dara Happan name for him. In that case, that's just an aspect of the deity. Really. And if you need to branch off another deity from the list, why LM and not Irrippi Ontor? The name (and original function) of the deity is "sacrificer of cows", the priest. Writing comes as an afterthought, and starts with record-keeping (counting) the tax and harvest. Star-seeing is a special subcult, or possibly hero cult grown big. But yes, Buserian the scribe or archivist is the mask of Lhankor Mhy the scribe, but not the Lightbringer, and neither the Lawspeaker - that's the province of Yelm alone. Buserian the tallymaster, bull sacrificer etc. has a number of other functions not shared by Lhankor Mhy in Esrolia or the far west. Much like the flensing knife isn't standard Lhankor Mhy equipment, either, even though taking off the skin of living enemies for magical writing material is a well-beloved custom among the magical scribes of the West. Makes me wonder why we get Shargash when we have Zorak Zoran. I recognize the pressure of limited space in a printed product, but I really think that we would fare significantly better if we said "these are distinct deities, but in this list of myths we cannot say whether the one or the other is the original actor." The same myths do of course lead to the same magics, so from a spellbook approach (only) this makes sense. In the "Mythos and History" section, the differences should be pointed out, and limitations of the other ones. Elmal doesn't get Sunspear. Buserian doesn't get Lightbringer associated magics. The dragonslaying for the waters (Enkoshons, Aroka, Barntar's Daga quest) is a shared myth between Orlanth, Vadrus and Barntar, and while Barntar might be presented as an aspect of Orlanth, Vadrus is harder to place there. Is Odayla different from Orlanth, Arakang or Rathor, or just the same? IMO both cases are true. Some magic and myth is shared, other parts are unique to a specific aspect and not available to similar entities. The advanced quester or researcher may know how to use or exploit such parallel drifts to switch paths while questing. Some of the standard quests like the LBQ likely have incorporated such sideway switches into their mainstream version. 2 Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Humakt said: Is gonna be subcults as well? Many cults have plenty of sub cults. Some don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 20 hours ago, jps said: This is really big, everything we need to play in the default setting, including Lunars and Chaos cults ^^ It is really big. Somewhere around 350k words. The Guide itself was 460k words. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustK Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jeff said: It is really big. Somewhere around 350k words. The Guide itself was 460k words. This is just awesome ! But the more you put in, the more we wait ! But the more you put in, the more it'll be good ! But the more we wait, but the more is good, but ... You're just torturing us ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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