Your Dumbest Theory

[Ian_W]

The Orlanthi sun god is, was, and will always be Yelm (*).

Yes. He's an old enemy. Yes. He was the Emperor of All, and a tyrant, and an oppressor. Yes. Orlanth killed him in God-time. Yes. His followers are regularly at war with the cultures that follow the Lightbringers.

 

But that big shiny hot yellow thing that goes across the skies, and then descends to the Underworld each night ?

 

That's Yelm.

 

And if it's not, then the Lightbringers Quest makes a lot less sense.

 

(*) Subject to the usual 'All Orlanthi' means 85%.

 

 

[Richard S.]

3 hours ago, Ian_W said:

The Orlanthi sun god is, was, and will always be Yelm (*).

Yes. He's an old enemy. Yes. He was the Emperor of All, and a tyrant, and an oppressor. Yes. Orlanth killed him in God-time. Yes. His followers are regularly at war with the cultures that follow the Lightbringers.

 

But that big shiny hot yellow thing that goes across the skies, and then descends to the Underworld each night ?

 

That's Yelm.

 

And if it's not, then the Lightbringers Quest makes a lot less sense.

 

(*) Subject to the usual 'All Orlanthi' means 85%.

 

 

That's not a dumb theory, that's just canon. Yelmalio hasn't been the sun since the Heortling's initial contacts with Dara Happa.

[scott-martin]

4 hours ago, Ian_W said:

The Orlanthi sun god is, was, and will always be Yelm (*).

So Orlanth and [the Orlanthi sun god] competed over a girl and it got violent. Orlanth felt bad about it and after grievous ordeals made it right. The [Orlanth] sun rose again but the girl stayed with Orlanth.

What that I'm hearing is a clearer version of Hill of Gold after all this time. I love it. There were once two brothers. The way the bright brother tells it is that there was a girl who was not receptive, there was a cruel rival, heartache and survival. A fourth figure, identified as modern "Orlanth," sometimes lurks around the edges, not a great fit for the core drama.

This Hill of Gold is how the Orlanthi sun god really remembers the core moment of the gods war. Everything else is latter-day syncretism and other compensatory quest work. When they came down from the south telling us this "Orlanth" took credit for bringing the bright brother back, all we could see is the cruel rival in his face. And the bright brother they brought us was always a loser. Over time, some people resisted that arrangement and others found ways to live with its terms.

 

[Eff]

It is known that falling too deep into debt in Casino Town can lead to a term spent salvaging in the Machine Ruins. But actually cheating, or, god forgot to forbid, robbing the Casino, will earn you a place in a very special Hidden Castle.

The music, at least, is charming.

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Eff

[French Desperate WindChild]

On 12/18/2021 at 12:23 PM, Ian_W said:

The Orlanthi sun god is, was, and will always be Yelm (*).

Yes. He's an old enemy. Yes. He was the Emperor of All, and a tyrant, and an oppressor. Yes. Orlanth killed him in God-time. Yes. His followers are regularly at war with the cultures that follow the Lightbringers.

 

But that big shiny hot yellow thing that goes across the skies, and then descends to the Underworld each night ?

 

That's Yelm.

 

And if it's not, then the Lightbringers Quest makes a lot less sense.

 

(*) Subject to the usual 'All Orlanthi' means 85%.

 

 

that's sound to me that the lightbringers quest was not to save the world but to prove who are now the leaders :

Air is always present

Earth is always present

Light is only present 50% of the time

Darkness is only present 50% of the time

Water is just boundaries between mortal kingdoms

 

the lightbringers quest is not the true name of the quest, it was "bring light to reason", or as the wise stormbul said at this time "obey hot s##t ! "

 

[dumuzid]

The personal god of Sheng Seleris, Jolaty, and the ruling god of Fonrit, Ompalam the Chaos god of slavery, are the same thing.

[metcalph]

Jolaty is Yelmalio.

Ompalam is Pamalt.

Andins are Trolls, Dwarves, Gargoyles and other earth and darkness based sentients.

Idovanus when he acts through his Ersoon is Yelmalio.

Avanpdur is Illusion rather than Chaos and his worship was why the Eastern Isles were spared the ravages of chaos during the Gods War.

The most common worshippers of Arkat the Devil are travelling bands of Ralian monster-fights often called Witchers.

Shavaya was a bandit king rather than a wise mystical emperor.  He is only acknowledged as Emperor because the commoners have fond memory of his rule after the downfall of Abzered.

Mikaday is a cult where humans magically turn themselves into dragonewts.  It was originally a cult in which Dragonewts tried to understand humans by becoming them.  Supposedly you can tell the humans from the Dragonewts at their religious gatherings by seeing which ones blink and which was stare.  But be careful!  The human worshippers have long developed the practice of staring (and other weird reptilian habits) while the Dragonewts practice blinking as humans do.  

Edit: The Lankst Royal House is descended from an ancestor who visited Kralorela in the Imperial Age and learned from the cult of Mikaday the secret of fire-breathing.  The Mikday temple which he learned it from is unusal in their worshippers breath gusts on wind instead of flames. 

The internal dynamics of the Royal House of Tarsh can be best understood by watching Succession with Logan Roy as Moirades and Kendall as Pharandaros.

The Seshnegi nobility are superior to the laws of their Zzaburi and their conduct policed only by their ancestors and noble house.  They could become powerful sorcerers but their hedonistic lifestyle and pursuit of quick thrills means that most get bored and worship demonic ancestors instead.  The zzaburi are happy at the preservation of their sorcerous monopoly.

Edited December 25, 2021 by metcalph

[Sir_Godspeed]

On 12/25/2021 at 10:16 AM, metcalph said:

Avanpdur is Illusion rather than Chaos and his worship was why the Eastern Isles were spared the ravages of chaos during the Gods War.

 

Isn't this pretty mainstream belief, or did I miss something? I definitely read it like that, at least. 

On 12/25/2021 at 10:16 AM, metcalph said:

The most common worshippers of Arkat the Devil are travelling bands of Ralian monster-fights often called Witchers.

 

Spare a coin for them!

On 12/25/2021 at 2:53 AM, dumuzid said:

The personal god of Sheng Seleris, Jolaty, and the ruling god of Fonrit, Ompalam the Chaos god of slavery, are the same thing.

On 12/25/2021 at 10:16 AM, metcalph said:

Jolaty is Yelmalio.

 

Hmm... both intriguing thoughts. 

[Qizilbashwoman]

On 12/25/2021 at 4:16 AM, metcalph said:

Ompalam is Pamalt

uhhh i thought this was orthodox fiqh

[AlHazred]

2 hours ago, Qizilbashwoman said:

uhhh i thought this was orthodox fiqh

I'm not sure how anyone could confuse Pamalt and Ompamalt...

[scott-martin]

As you know, Mother Market retired the "Communication Rune" a few years ago in order to avoid a toxic contango scenario and hedge against anticipated volatility. The improved version we'll be rolling out for the fourth age will be pluralistic and recombinant . . . more of a platform play. A few prototypes here.

[Alex]

8 minutes ago, scott-martin said:

The improved version we'll be rolling out for the fourth age will be pluralistic and recombinant . . . more of a platform play.

But where's the Crypto Rune?!  All hail the ZistorChain!

[scott-martin]

23 minutes ago, Alex said:

But where's the Crypto Rune?!  All hail the ZistorChain!

Gotta catch 'em all! Although I think this one's craotic

[Alex]

1 hour ago, scott-martin said:

Gotta catch 'em all! Although I think this one's craotic

Bitzor, it's the future!!!

 

[Sir_Godspeed]

I honestly would not put it past the GodLearners or Lunars to set up some kind of magically powered Otherworld blockchain with sorcerers or heroquesters acting as miners or something.

The crypto to the EWF's MLM.

[Baron Wulfraed]

3 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

I honestly would not put it past the GodLearners or Lunars to set up some kind of magically powered Otherworld blockchain with sorcerers or heroquesters acting as miners or something.

The crypto to the EWF's MLM.

Shades of Logopolis https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Logopolitan

 

[Joerg]

14 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

I honestly would not put it past the GodLearners or Lunars to set up some kind of magically powered Otherworld blockchain with sorcerers or heroquesters acting as miners or something.

The crypto to the EWF's MLM.

Attempts to forge the Block into a chain for commercial purposes were met with extreme resistance by the resident Storm Bull cult. None of the initial engineers returned.

Edited January 1, 2022 by Joerg

[davecake]

On 12/25/2021 at 5:16 PM, metcalph said:

Avanpdur is Illusion rather than Chaos and his worship was why the Eastern Isles were spared the ravages of chaos during the Gods War.

I agree that Avanapdur is Illusion. I don’t think all his followers are non- Chaotic, or that the East Isles was totally spared. 

[davecake]

On 12/25/2021 at 5:16 PM, metcalph said:

The Seshnegi nobility are superior to the laws of their Zzaburi and their conduct policed only by their ancestors and noble house.  They could become powerful sorcerers but their hedonistic lifestyle and pursuit of quick thrills means that most get bored and worship demonic ancestors instead.  The zzaburi are happy at the preservation of their sorcerous monopoly.

The nobility are of course subject to the Laws of the Zzaburi. Whenever one Talar has defeated one another and wishes them imprisoned, killed or otherwise punished, a zzaburi can always be found who will explain the nature of the crimes they have committed that justify it. 

[AlHazred]

On 1/1/2022 at 8:24 AM, Joerg said:

Attempts to forge the Block into a chain for commercial purposes were met with extreme resistance by the resident Storm Bull cult. None of the initial engineers returned.

"Sure, that's what they tell you. The engineers all became stinking rich! That's why they never came back to this dunghole! Look, buy my book scroll, Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About The Block-Chain But Were Afraid to Ask, and I'll throw in five Eurmali Riddles, absolutely free! Alternatively, a non-fungible scroll of my sales pitch is available for sale right now, for the low, low price of 100 Lunars! The last guy paid 90, it's sure to go up in value!"

[Sir_Godspeed]

"Non-Fungible" in Glorantha just means "something that can't be mistaken for a fungus". It's an important concept for Uz.

[French Desperate WindChild]

See what I write as a heroquest: each station is dumbest that the previous one.

 

I long hesitated to share with you this secret, but now, I cannot keep it for myself

Step A: Observation
 

Spoiler

Lankhor Mhy cult has a very secret language

Of course  it is a language of truth

people gain a oath when they learn it they must in all cases be frankly

Step B Research
 

Spoiler

before Time, frankly language was spoken by Franks, of course

now the modern language is spoken by French

so the gloranthan secret language of truth is french

Step C Revelation

Spoiler

that easily leads to conclusion: if you want to know something in this forum, ask in french, don't believe any answer in other language

Step D Big Revelation

Spoiler

do not believe Chaosium in any case about Glorantha

Chaos is ennemy of Truth, Chaosium answers in english... never in french

 

Step E The big prize
 

Spoiler

You know Kallyr Starbrow right ?

In french, her name is "Kallyr Sourcils d'étoile" *

For those who don't understand what it implies... I share you an old persian document about it

 

 

* not a joke, it is the name I have in my french version (well the old one 30 years ago) You cannot imagine how difficult it was for me to understand that was the same person in the english publication, not the same "face" so not the same person, why everyone talks about an unknown person ??

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by French Desperate WindChild

[Joerg]

(Triggered by a comment by @Nick Brooke on Facebook comparing dragonewt eggs to Giger's xenomorph ones)

Dragonewts are hatchlings from dragon eggs laid by a very promiscuous but still under-developed female, resulting in neoteny.

By the early Second Age, the dragonewts noticed they were running out of crested scouts, so they tricked humans into becoming more draconic. Thousands of pilgrims would flock to the dragonewt cities to gain enough enlightenment to be reborn as dragonewts.

Something similar had been done before, during the Second Council, resulting in the wyrms - somewhat draconic creatures,  although not quite acceptable to the dragonewts (the wyrm in the dragonewt caravan had to work his way towards crested scout equivalence).

The dragonewt eggs are described as leathery, a cocoon inside which the dragonewt develops, hatching the mobile stage.

So, the pilgrims arrived, got infused or injected with draconic essence, sat down to meditate and slowly transformed into dragonewt eggs.

[Kloster]

1 hour ago, French Desperate WindChild said:

You know Kallyr Starbrow right ?

In french, her name is "Kallyr Sourcils d'étoile"

The current translation is better regarding 'canon' as she is now 'Front Etoilé'. Both are lexically correct, but only the current one goes with current description.

[Joerg]

There was talk about which Lightbringer deity a Malkioni participant on the Lightbringer's Quest would identify with, and I have seen Flesh Man, Lhankor Mhy and Issaries as suggestion.

Chalana Arroy is obviously Xemela, who accepted Death (going into the Underworld) to heal the world.

But there is one Lightbringer deity even more obviously Malkion the Sacrifice (Book of Heortling Mythology p.111):

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One  day  the  trail  led  to  Sorcerer's  Town.  There  they joined the populace to witness the execution of a criminal monster  caught  by  the  sorcerers.  Flesh  Man  recognized Eurmal,  and  begged  Orlanth  to  save  the  wretch.  Orlanth agreed, and they revealed themselves and drove off all the executioners.  

Now compare this with the account of the Fifth Action (Revealed Mythologies p.14):

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So  then  Malkion  asked  if  Zzabur  too  would  lend  his power,  but  the  sorcerer  and  his  people  were  not  present. Long  before  this  rite  the  great  sorcerer  had  given  to Malkion  his  reasoning,  logic,  thoughts,  and  intellectual rationale.  Zzabur  was  utterly  respectful,  but  the  Sorcerer Supreme never bowed before the Founder. So when Zzabur resisted, he was able to ignore every query from Malkion. 
Then Malkion the Founder summoned the powers of the Creator to recognize itself through the Hidden Power of the Fifth Action, and to reorganize the world around him. It worked, but not well. 
The  priests,  chiefs,  and  other  foes  were  all  gone,  and instead  were  vaporized  and  distilled  into  their  simplest energies  and  forms.  Sizzling  fires  thudded  to  the  ground, waters crackled impossibly green, and a flopping thing slid away, all released by the change in those loyal beings. 

QED.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Joerg
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